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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist Among Us and

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sometimes they win even the devil was an

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angel once the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of Cryptids in The

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Unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries Welcome to our

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nightmare I think you're gonna like it

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hello folks uh welcome to Phantoms and

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monsters radio I'm Vincent Richardson

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your host co-hosting this evening we'll

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be Bernadette McDaniel and we got

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something uh fun for you guys tonight a

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little bit uh different than the usual

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um would like to say happy birthday to

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Mr lawn strickler today everybody happy

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birthday he's not with us today but he

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is on the mend and at home and in good

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spirits

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I've got a great show for you guys

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tonight

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we have the scariest of all artists Mr

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Sam's jiren will be joining us today

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and also tonight we have our lovely Anna

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Marie Manilow who will be joining us and

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she's got some creepy stories for us and

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then we've got Dr Dean Bertram I think

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that's Dr Dean I saw somebody else in

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the background kind of creepy but anyway

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here

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good I've been muffled if I did the show

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like this so I'm probably gonna have to

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take it off reveal my equally scary face

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Ron Murphy will be joining us here in a

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moment

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but anyway I want to get started with

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you guys how is everyone doing this

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evening perfect

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great it's the Halloween season spooky

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season so fantastic it is the Halloween

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I'm sorry Sam I didn't hear you

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I said ever closer to Christmas ah yes

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yes and uh Sam is actually uh got some

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really cool Christmas artwork too I'll

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be putting some of that up here in a

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little while anyway I wanted to get on

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started and start talking about this a

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little campfire thing we've got going on

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tonight I guess we're going to go around

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uh around and around and and

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tell stories to each other in the

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scariest things that may have happened

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to you personally or someone you know

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and that's that sounds like a plan to me

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who would like to start with with a

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not everybody at once

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so I I want to tell you this while it's

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fresh in my mind because this was just

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about three weeks ago when I was

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overseas and some folks don't know this

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I go overseas almost every year but he

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cramped my style the whole thing with

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the pandemic so I got stuck home for

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about two two and a half years and then

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finally I ended up um going to the

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original destination in this case my

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husband and I wanted to go to France now

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a lot of people think oh gosh it's so

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beautiful and it is don't get me wrong

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but there's some really remote lonely

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necessarily go to the most popular spots

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of like the places that people normally

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a cottage that was kind of like off the

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final week that we were there and we

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um The Cottage if I may explain is

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and around the hill are all these wooded

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areas and there's only a neighbor

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another eight neighbor down the hill

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from us yeah that's apropovins the way

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though I think this one is in Germany

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the the story I have is in France but

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anyway to try to make a long story short

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and Vince I know I sent you a picture of

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that it looks nicer in the daytime

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believe me and very calm and very quiet

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to have a huge window overlooking the

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curtain and then you had like these real

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shutters but they're only decorative

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you could take the shutters and actually

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light there wasn't anything but there

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pictures there you'll see it's really

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those trees where you see the canal

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but anyway I could not I couldn't

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discern where the light was coming from

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feeling from it except you know when you

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sounds and there was none

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water and next thing you know my husband

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be getting closer and he woke him up

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and so we were able to converse you know

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of the country that's kind of remote the

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they only spoke French but we were very

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glad to hook up with them

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some tea and things of that nature and

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and then we got to talking

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and they said have you experienced

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anything strange

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and then we brought up what happened the

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and they said well not to alarm you but

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we normally take this path and walk

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towards the canal and we've stopped

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doing that and we'd like to caution you

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probably to refrain from doing something

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and they said that just about a few

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they were walking out there they had a

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flashlight with them because it was

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there's trees all around there are some

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homes but not many

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and they start to see what they thought

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cellophane

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glimmering

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okay and it was ahead of them

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and they were walking towards it and

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what is it someone coming towards us

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with a flashlight and she said No it's

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it's something is moving out there and

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it's almost like a piece of cellophane

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maybe somebody dropped trash and now

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it's flying out

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and she said no I'm telling you it's got

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two feet and it's walking

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so they couldn't quite discern what it

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was and they kept walking and then

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suddenly whatever it was that she was

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seeing splashed into the water

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and proceeded and she could see

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almost like feet Rippling the canal

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and you could hear the water splashing

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as whatever it was crossed but when you

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looked up to see where the splashing was

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coming from there was just kind of like

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this

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shimmering or glimmering that was going

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anybody know what that was

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things in some of the missing 4-1-1

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stories that David Pilates has recorded

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for example there's the the relatively

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now I suppose famous case of Bruce

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maccabee's wife I should know her first

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name I don't and she was she was out

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hunting in a tree stand and she saw

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something in front of her which she

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described as

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being somewhat like that effect we see

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in the Predator films much like what you

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described something shimmering there's a

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figure there but it's not there and I've

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heard that I've heard those stories more

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and more recently it seems to be

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something which more people are

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experiencing what it is I have no idea

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but it seems to be it seems to be

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attached to a number of different

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anomalous phenomena

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like it's straddling two different

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planes basically like it's here but it's

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also wherever it comes from

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that's how it sounds like to me

280
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so that's that's very scary yeah yeah

281
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and they had no explanations

282
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no go ahead go ahead

283
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oh someone even say that there are some

284
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Cryptids have the ability to uh uh to to

285
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go like that to turn translucent

286
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well we did not wander down there we

287
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went over In the Heat of the day and

288
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took some pictures I wanted to see if

289
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there was any kind of suggestion of

290
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footprints or anything you know strange

291
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or out of the ordinary at all all I

292
00:13:35,930 --> 00:13:34,139
noticed was there were some canoes there

293
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and it seemed like when you look at the

294
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water line

295
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the water used to be much higher

296
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and and now it's lower than it used to

297
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be

298
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um you know the the area around it is

299
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very quiet you could see some

300
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maybe ropes of houses

301
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but there's nothing there you know if

302
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you're walking down there it could get

303
00:14:03,769 --> 00:14:01,019
very lonely at night and I could just

304
00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:03,779
picture them just walking down this

305
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canal and seeing this shimmering that

306
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they don't understand

307
00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:10,740
um they have not walked there since then

308
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that when they told us they cautioned us

309
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to don't walk there at night because

310
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whatever it is we can't figure out what

311
00:14:26,810 --> 00:14:24,110
no wow that's spooky yeah definitely

312
00:14:30,110 --> 00:14:26,820
definitely a good story to kick off our

313
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campfire Halloween Round Table

314
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wow that is it's very yeah makes you

315
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yeah what is under the water yeah

316
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any questions from the chat fairies

317
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absolutely I've never heard of them

318
00:14:53,150 --> 00:14:50,399
under the water that's appropriate for

319
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this time of the you know the they the

320
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old Irish tale says that when they fell

321
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from heaven wherever they landed was

322
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where they stayed so that's why you get

323
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that's why you get the fair folk in

324
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sometimes in in water areas because

325
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that's where they landed supposedly

326
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according to the old Irish tales and I

327
00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:13,139
think that's a great tale to kick it off

328
00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:15,600
actually I wasn't going to tell a

329
00:15:19,850 --> 00:15:18,060
personal story but I was going to talk

330
00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:19,860
about the fair folk a little bit because

331
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at this time of the year of course we

332
00:15:28,730 --> 00:15:26,579
tend to think of ghosts and witches and

333
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demons and those kind of creatures but

334
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back in the old countries back in

335
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Scotland and Ireland at this time of the

336
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year what you were primarily concerned

337
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of although you were aware that the

338
00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:39,899
whole veil was down so the dead could be

339
00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:42,600
be looking in as well but what you would

340
00:15:47,629 --> 00:15:45,000
probably primarily concerned about was

341
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the fairies the other crowd because this

342
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,740
was the time of the year just as May Day

343
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on the other end of the calendar on May

344
00:15:56,030 --> 00:15:53,519
1st which was when they would be

345
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traveling between their summer

346
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and winter residences between their

347
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forts

348
00:16:04,329 --> 00:16:02,820
as they're called in Ireland so you

349
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could go out any night of the year

350
00:16:09,949 --> 00:16:07,800
essentially and probably not be bothered

351
00:16:11,629 --> 00:16:09,959
by the fairies although it's not like

352
00:16:13,490 --> 00:16:11,639
it's the only time that the day appeared

353
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:13,500
but you certainly had no business going

354
00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:16,560
out on November Eve going out on October

355
00:16:22,009 --> 00:16:20,100
31st because everybody knew that's when

356
00:16:24,110 --> 00:16:22,019
they traveled so there's a real irony

357
00:16:26,449 --> 00:16:24,120
today because Halloween is the day that

358
00:16:28,670 --> 00:16:26,459
people do go out later at night you know

359
00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:28,680
it's when children are going door to

360
00:16:33,650 --> 00:16:31,860
door and wandering dark streets but if

361
00:16:36,650 --> 00:16:33,660
you go back to where so much of these

362
00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:36,660
Traditions started from that was the

363
00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:38,880
night you battened down the hatches and

364
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:40,620
there's an irony of course because those

365
00:16:45,530 --> 00:16:43,199
people were far closer to the origins

366
00:16:48,290 --> 00:16:45,540
and far closer to the creatures that

367
00:16:51,530 --> 00:16:48,300
started this kind of Mythology and they

368
00:16:53,569 --> 00:16:51,540
knew better than to to be out on those

369
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:53,579
evenings so perhaps when you're going

370
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:55,199
door-to-door with your children this

371
00:16:59,449 --> 00:16:57,360
Halloween it might be worth keeping an

372
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:59,459
eye out over your shoulder because it is

373
00:17:02,749 --> 00:17:00,959
meant to be the night these things are

374
00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:02,759
out and about and you don't want to

375
00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:05,220
cross their path or so my ancestors

376
00:17:09,730 --> 00:17:06,600
would have told you in Ireland and

377
00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:13,250
oh yeah and it makes you wonder like

378
00:17:17,390 --> 00:17:16,140
that makes a good point Dean like they

379
00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:17,400
could probably be out with us

380
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,140
trick-or-treating as well because they

381
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,839
would be out causing mischief and other

382
00:17:26,270 --> 00:17:24,240
things and they would just blend in

383
00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:26,280
yeah who knows what that little figure

384
00:17:31,010 --> 00:17:27,959
that you walked past that you thought

385
00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:31,020
was you know that child in costume was

386
00:17:34,430 --> 00:17:32,820
something else and of course they have

387
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,440
glamor as well they can appear whatever

388
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,960
they want to appear like so there's this

389
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,400
idea I think that they're going to be

390
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,320
like Tinkerbell in you know Peter Pan

391
00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:41,760
they don't look like that at all and

392
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,380
they don't normally look like that even

393
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,120
when they show their true selves but

394
00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:47,039
they don't often show their true selves

395
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:49,020
you're as likely to

396
00:17:52,370 --> 00:17:51,120
be sitting next to somebody in a

397
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,380
restaurant that could be one of them

398
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,000
that's what somebody told the great

399
00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:56,400
folklorist Eddie Lenahan who went out

400
00:17:58,850 --> 00:17:57,960
and interviewed hundreds of people about

401
00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:58,860
the

402
00:18:03,289 --> 00:18:01,620
continuing fairy folk in Ireland over

403
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,299
the last you know several days or

404
00:18:07,970 --> 00:18:05,760
probably last four or five decades and

405
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:07,980
one thing one old man told him which he

406
00:18:12,049 --> 00:18:10,200
said really stuck with him

407
00:18:13,549 --> 00:18:12,059
was that you know when he talked to them

408
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,559
what do the fairies look like he said

409
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,360
you could be sitting next to one at the

410
00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:16,799
pub and you wouldn't know

411
00:18:20,090 --> 00:18:18,840
they can appear however they like so

412
00:18:21,650 --> 00:18:20,100
yeah you wouldn't know you're right

413
00:18:24,490 --> 00:18:21,660
Bernadette if you passed one on the

414
00:18:26,270 --> 00:18:24,500
street on Halloween you'd have no idea

415
00:18:27,529 --> 00:18:26,280
that would that would be something

416
00:18:29,870 --> 00:18:27,539
though like you're sitting down

417
00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:29,880
somewhere and yeah you can be sitting

418
00:18:33,409 --> 00:18:32,220
next to one of them yeah that's a spooky

419
00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:33,419
thought

420
00:18:38,810 --> 00:18:36,299
okay I'm sure I'm sure Mr Sam is

421
00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:38,820
cognizant of most of this type of law as

422
00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:41,220
well hailing from the British Islands I

423
00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:43,740
mean yeah I grew up in and around

424
00:18:48,650 --> 00:18:46,140
um the whole folk mythology and the

425
00:18:51,470 --> 00:18:48,660
romance behind it all um but yeah you're

426
00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:51,480
very you're very right there with it you

427
00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:52,740
know

428
00:18:56,810 --> 00:18:54,780
it could be anything they could appear

429
00:18:59,570 --> 00:18:56,820
as anything it could be as large as a

430
00:19:03,350 --> 00:18:59,580
troll uh considered as a fairy

431
00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:03,360
um or as small as you know a frog or

432
00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:04,740
riding a frog I mean there's so many

433
00:19:08,090 --> 00:19:06,120
different stories there's just the

434
00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:08,100
Spectrum to put them all into the

435
00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:10,860
category of the Fey or the chi or the

436
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,360
other ones as you say

437
00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:14,400
um it's fascinating to me because this

438
00:19:20,270 --> 00:19:16,380
appears in every culture around the

439
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:20,280
world and uh it makes you wonder if all

440
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:21,600
these people are seeing something they

441
00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:22,799
have to be seeing something because they

442
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,299
can't all be lying and making it up

443
00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:26,160
because all the stories are so similar

444
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:28,020
it reminds me

445
00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:29,039
um

446
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,220
of a story I was told it's a very brief

447
00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:33,600
story

448
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,179
um but I was staying with my girlfriend

449
00:19:40,669 --> 00:19:38,400
at the time in Wales many years ago

450
00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:40,679
maybe 15 16 years ago

451
00:19:45,529 --> 00:19:44,100
and um we were still we were visiting

452
00:19:47,090 --> 00:19:45,539
her parents and staying there in a

453
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,100
little cottage that they had which had

454
00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:49,919
been a converted Vickery uh so it's a

455
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:51,000
lovely little place in the middle of

456
00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:53,160
nowhere of course surrounded by Rolling

457
00:19:58,490 --> 00:19:55,380
Hills and and forests and valleys and

458
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:58,500
things so perfect place for strange

459
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,400
unusual beings or creatures or Fae

460
00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:04,320
and one evening we had dinner with our

461
00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:07,020
parents at their house of course and

462
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:10,620
they invited uh a chap

463
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:14,160
um a neighbor from a local Farm down the

464
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,600
road maybe

465
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,520
um and I'm not going to give you the

466
00:20:22,990 --> 00:20:18,720
real name but let's let's call him

467
00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:26,510
and uh you know we had dinner and we're

468
00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:29,100
all sat around just sort of reaching for

469
00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:31,500
the hoes out the bowl and you know

470
00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:33,179
filling up the orange juice and whatever

471
00:20:36,650 --> 00:20:35,160
just catching up on things and this was

472
00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:36,660
you know height of Summer

473
00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:38,160
and

474
00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:39,960
my girlfriend's dad whispered in my ear

475
00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:41,400
you should ask him about the little

476
00:20:44,810 --> 00:20:43,020
green men

477
00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:44,820
and I said what because he knew I was

478
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,679
fascinated by you know anything strange

479
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,200
so I said you know didn't want to

480
00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:52,080
embarrass him or put him on the spot but

481
00:20:56,029 --> 00:20:54,780
I just quietly asked him I said um I

482
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,039
believe you have a story about Little

483
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,840
Green Men and of course I'm initially

484
00:21:00,289 --> 00:20:59,280
just thinking aliens because that's

485
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,299
where your head goes when you think

486
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,640
Little Green Men but that wasn't what it

487
00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:05,039
was at all in fact I mean really it

488
00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:06,840
there's no explanation as to what it was

489
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:08,160
but he

490
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:09,360
swore

491
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:10,980
and this is the bit that really got me

492
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:14,039
he swore that he was washing the dishes

493
00:21:18,430 --> 00:21:15,960
and looking out of the kitchen window

494
00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:18,440
that was in front of him above the sink

495
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,480
and he saw

496
00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:24,000
six or seven inch tall Little People

497
00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:26,220
stood on the windowsill looking in

498
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:28,440
watching him wash the dishes and he

499
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,419
dropped the dish into the sink Splash

500
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:32,640
you know and froze and just looked at

501
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,340
them and then they ran off in the blink

502
00:21:37,789 --> 00:21:36,720
of an eye off the windowsill and into

503
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,799
the bushes

504
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,080
and that was it that was the all of the

505
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,720
story that he could tell me and I I

506
00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:45,600
pestered him as politely as I could to

507
00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:47,640
get you know any more information out of

508
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:48,900
him what are they were they wearing

509
00:21:53,810 --> 00:21:51,240
clothes he would not talk about it it

510
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:53,820
was almost as though he was scared

511
00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:54,480
um

512
00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:56,820
because they'd you know visited him at

513
00:22:01,070 --> 00:21:58,500
his home he said he'd never saw them

514
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,080
again he didn't know what they were but

515
00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:03,720
he swears as the sun goes up and down

516
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:06,059
that there were little green people on

517
00:22:09,289 --> 00:22:07,980
the windowsill watching him wash the

518
00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:09,299
dishes

519
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:15,830
it's interesting

520
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,799
that Sam said when they mentioned Little

521
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:21,600
Green Man of course the first thing that

522
00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:24,360
comes to one's mind is aliens because

523
00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:25,860
that's been the term used so much

524
00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:27,299
although now it's probably little gray

525
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:28,740
men but Little Green Men was the

526
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:31,919
tradition but of course before the 1940s

527
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,140
when we became conscious of that term

528
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,000
the late 40s 50s of Little Green Men

529
00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:37,679
meaning aliens of course Little Green

530
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:39,380
Man indeed met

531
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:41,940
the fair folk or the she or the other

532
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:43,860
crowd because traditionally they were

533
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:46,799
often garbed in green for starters so

534
00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:49,380
you wonder if somehow we were cognizant

535
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,419
even when we were throwing what we

536
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:53,760
thought was a science fiction label on

537
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,740
these entities if we still knew that

538
00:23:00,110 --> 00:22:57,539
somehow they really did belong to that

539
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,120
tradition if the aliens and the she or

540
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,679
the aliens and the Fey or whatever we

541
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,840
want to call them weren't really so far

542
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:05,520
removed from each other

543
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:07,980
yeah there's lots of parallels and uh

544
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:10,620
similarities there of course it all goes

545
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:11,880
hand in hand isn't it people going

546
00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:14,820
missing missing time children being

547
00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:16,919
disappeared and returning years later

548
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,340
much older all kinds of stories are so

549
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:22,799
similar between alien abductions and of

550
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,080
course fairies abducting children people

551
00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:26,640
who fall asleep in the woods strange

552
00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:28,620
sounds strange lights Magical Lights

553
00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:31,860
it's all the same thing I think I agree

554
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,620
I agree with that absolutely and it

555
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,000
makes you wonder if they were still

556
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:37,919
watching him but he just didn't see them

557
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:40,140
anymore like maybe that was just the

558
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:41,700
one-off where they let their guard down

559
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,220
and you know got caught basically well

560
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:46,080
yeah I mean that's a good point I mean

561
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,120
what scares me if we want to get the

562
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:51,360
chills up our spines is how long have

563
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,679
they been watching him were they

564
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:54,299
watching him at night were they getting

565
00:23:59,870 --> 00:23:57,299
into the house have they always been

566
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,880
did they visit him since

567
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,720
um

568
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:02,880
or were they just passing through and

569
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,440
heard the clanking of dishes and water

570
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:06,240
and thought what's that were they just

571
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,059
curious or had they been all along and

572
00:24:15,649 --> 00:24:12,480
maybe for a moment just uh I got to put

573
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:15,659
their little shimmery invisibility cloak

574
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:16,090
on or whatever

575
00:24:24,669 --> 00:24:22,730
a kind of

576
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,679
a long visit

577
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:27,600
watching someone the same person because

578
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:31,140
in Alien literature they talk about how

579
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:34,500
families for Generations are watched

580
00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:37,860
absolutely by aliens and for some reason

581
00:24:43,789 --> 00:24:41,340
they get tagged and they study what

582
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:43,799
they're doing uh some of them eventually

583
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:47,520
do get abducted I mean it I I don't know

584
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:49,140
how we tell the difference between

585
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,419
something that's an alien visitation or

586
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:53,760
it could be it as you said could be a

587
00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:57,780
Fae or Elemental type of visitation

588
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:00,659
yeah yeah I mean are they the same thing

589
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:06,169
coming from somewhere else that's that's

590
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,140
definitely points to the same thing

591
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:12,960
yeah we tend to always physicalize or

592
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,059
literalize these things so we have to

593
00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:17,580
now imagine they're from out of space

594
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:20,520
and we we perhaps when we were more

595
00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:22,980
immersed in fairy law we had to believe

596
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:25,260
they came from the fort or they came

597
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,900
from the hill but maybe they're maybe

598
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,059
outer space in the hill are the same

599
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,880
thing maybe they come from a space next

600
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,740
to us but which which isn't ours and

601
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,600
they come in and out and maybe that

602
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:38,159
explains like I think Bernadette was

603
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,539
suggesting before as well this

604
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:42,419
shimmering effect might be them with one

605
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,760
foot in our our world and one foot in

606
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:47,100
theirs that's interesting that's a good

607
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,320
point you bring up there that we always

608
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,360
tend to especially these days we try to

609
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:54,059
explain a mystery with another mystery

610
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:56,039
and I think in if we're going to

611
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,020
consider the aliens and fairies are the

612
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,659
same thing then of course these days we

613
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,400
have to explain it some way and the best

614
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:04,380
way to explain it is to have something

615
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:07,080
so far flung out that we can't prove it

616
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:10,500
I.E it comes from space that though

617
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:12,059
although that's the answer then now

618
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:13,320
they're coming from another planet

619
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,299
whereas before as you say they just came

620
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,240
from the forest now we've explored

621
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:20,880
forests and we can explore the forest if

622
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:22,500
this strange thing these visitations

623
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:24,900
happen now we tend to lean towards well

624
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,000
they must be from further away that we

625
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,860
can't explore

626
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:30,659
absolutely there's no unknown

627
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,299
territories it's like the movie King

628
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,580
Kong it kind of made sense when it was

629
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,679
made you know I think it was it made

630
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:39,600
just pre-World War II because there

631
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:41,340
hadn't been a battle on every island in

632
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:43,140
the Pacific you know what I mean but

633
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:44,940
after World War II there really were a

634
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,000
few places where we hadn't trodden so as

635
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,860
we go forward I think that's where

636
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:51,659
there's also the popularity of secret

637
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,600
U.S bases holding aliens underground or

638
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,880
holding flying sources because they're

639
00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:58,919
the new forbidden territory that we

640
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:01,140
can't tread so we we you're right we

641
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:02,340
either have to put them in outer space

642
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:04,140
so we have to put them as part of the

643
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:06,539
National Security State but it might be

644
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,520
in some ways far more complicated but

645
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:10,320
far more simple it might just be

646
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:12,539
somewhere we don't understand that

647
00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:14,580
they're from

648
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:18,120
oh yeah yeah absolutely

649
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:20,279
and I also think maybe in a way it's

650
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:22,500
like we're protecting ourselves too like

651
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,600
our minds protecting itself because we

652
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,360
can say well it's not coming from you

653
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,039
know the forest anymore it's coming from

654
00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:31,200
outer space so this way it's further

655
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,299
away it can't hurt us

656
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:35,880
does that make sense oh yeah like where

657
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:38,220
as you know our ancestors were like it's

658
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:39,900
the forest so we're going to stay out

659
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,500
there or be careful you know yeah

660
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,500
exactly exactly and I I think that's the

661
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,240
way of our minds protecting ourselves

662
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,000
you know from realizing that it's

663
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:52,799
something beyond our control Beyond

664
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,260
ourselves

665
00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:57,360
I think that's also one of the most

666
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:58,679
frightening things as well that you're

667
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,080
pointing on there is to sort of we

668
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:03,840
automatically think oh you know fairies

669
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,360
let's say for example you're washing the

670
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:07,919
dishes and you see some little green

671
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:10,140
people on the windowsill all of a sudden

672
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:12,059
your brain almost snaps because you

673
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,820
think that's not supposed to exist

674
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:15,960
whereas you might be able to accept

675
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:18,539
aliens oh they're out there you know

676
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,520
we're not alone but for little people to

677
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,740
be on the windowsill that's too much for

678
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,240
the brain to sort of really wrap around

679
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,880
and I think we do try to make things a

680
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,320
little safe for ourselves and more

681
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,760
comfortable by explaining it away

682
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,200
whereas when you're presented with

683
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,840
little green people on a windowsill

684
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,460
um fairies aren't supposed to be

685
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:37,679
existing here in this time this day and

686
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:40,020
age what's going on that's terrifying to

687
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:41,460
me

688
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,840
looking in one's Windows is always

689
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:47,760
terrifying which the the little green

690
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:49,559
man's story in your point that they're

691
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,900
outside what we would expect an alien to

692
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:53,640
look like or we expect the other to look

693
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,039
like I remember in a Jacques for Lay

694
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,840
book he talked about somebody the man

695
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:59,520
might even have been washing his wish

696
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:01,260
dishes as well but I know he looked out

697
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,419
of his kitchen window and he saw what

698
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,120
was like a half-man half scorpion on his

699
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,919
front lawn and valet took this report

700
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:10,320
quite seriously the man was absolutely

701
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,179
you know obviously flabbergasted and

702
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:14,820
shocked and stunned and I mean how do

703
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:16,440
you process something like that sitting

704
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:18,179
on your front lawn looking at you it's

705
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:19,620
easy now it'd still be scary if a

706
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:21,000
Bigfoot was on your front lawn looking

707
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:22,320
up at you but we can kind of process

708
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,120
that we have a space we can put that in

709
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,580
but little six inch you know Green Man

710
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:28,159
or you know

711
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:31,500
or or scorpion man on your front lawn

712
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,720
how do we process that

713
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:36,480
I remember being five years old I told

714
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:38,760
this story on where did the road go with

715
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:41,340
so I asked her maybe great show seven

716
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,779
years ago or something

717
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:45,840
um but I remember being around four or

718
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,360
five years old and me and my mum were

719
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,640
about to go to the shops in England and

720
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:52,559
I just learned over a wall and I looked

721
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:54,659
down and the wall was a drop of maybe

722
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,860
six foot

723
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,080
and I looked down and there was a green

724
00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,600
grasshopper

725
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,880
but the weirdest thing was it it was and

726
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:05,279
it sounds ridiculous but it was about a

727
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,080
foot long now of course when you small

728
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:09,600
things appear to be much larger but the

729
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,340
really strange thing was is it turned

730
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:13,320
its head there's sort of like an insect

731
00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:15,720
that sort of swivels swivels the head

732
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:18,140
and it had an old man's face and so

733
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,080
goodness I immediately ran inside

734
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,960
and got my mom and came out and I was

735
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,340
saying you know there's an old man he's

736
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:28,020
a grasshopper but he's got an old man's

737
00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:29,880
face and

738
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,930
it was gone you know so um yeah that's

739
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:37,440
pretty tough what was that was that a

740
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:39,240
Faye was that just a grasshopper with a

741
00:30:48,669 --> 00:30:46,970
I would have been scared of that I won't

742
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:48,679
lie

743
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,480
yeah oh my gosh

744
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,279
no he didn't say anything else

745
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,440
I think did you say anything to you I

746
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:57,679
was about to ask

747
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:06,049
Pinocchio

748
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:08,029
I think it's those kind of reports that

749
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:10,200
point to how strange the anomalous

750
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,820
really is you know and they're the ones

751
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,100
which are often ignored by the more

752
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:16,260
mainstream books that want every you

753
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,779
know a mainstream cryptozoologist who

754
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:20,159
believes that there are Flesh and Blood

755
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:22,380
Apes running around North American Woods

756
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:24,539
wants to only put stories which seem to

757
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:27,659
back up that in just the same way as you

758
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,220
know a ufologist who believes we're

759
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:30,960
being visited from outer space and

760
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,299
there's a some type of genetic breeding

761
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:34,919
program that the Grays have been doing

762
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:37,260
they only want stories that fit exactly

763
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,500
into that narrative so things like that

764
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:42,659
um grasshopper you experienced they're

765
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:44,520
traditionally just ignored what kind of

766
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:47,220
books you know in include those but

767
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:48,840
you've got to wonder how many of those

768
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:50,460
type of reports are out there those

769
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,580
totally over the top totally High

770
00:31:59,149 --> 00:31:55,500
strangeness accounts that don't fit any

771
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:59,159
anything at first I I thought it was a

772
00:32:03,049 --> 00:32:00,539
toy

773
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:03,059
um until it moved I really thought it

774
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,520
was a big plastic toy grasshopper so I

775
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,960
was really curious you know I was going

776
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:08,640
to grab it like oh cool I found a new

777
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,220
toy until it turned its head and it when

778
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:14,159
it had an old man's face so yeah that's

779
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:24,350
you know I fly

780
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,529
a little miniature things around around

781
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:30,480
my house once upon a time I've seen

782
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,740
these things a couple different times

783
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:34,559
but uh it looks like uh like like he

784
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,380
would say maybe 10 inches tall and

785
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,360
they've got little arms and legs pumping

786
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:42,000
as they run off little conical head but

787
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:43,980
there it was like a dark

788
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:47,100
green brown black color and I've and and

789
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,320
I've seen it in the house and

790
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:51,539
my family's sitting in the house still

791
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:55,440
that's terrifying yeah two of them at

792
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:57,419
one time one time I have no idea where

793
00:33:04,730 --> 00:32:58,620
they're coming from or where they're

794
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:04,740
going to the drawers yeah yep daytime

795
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:08,640
you saw it and run around his alarms

796
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:11,840
were pumping it was it was wild

797
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,850
you know you need to invest in multiple

798
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,899
cameras inside your house

799
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,399
yeah yeah

800
00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:25,919
yes I do I should yeah this house you

801
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:33,049
yeah that that would be scary did you

802
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,940
just move in there Vince

803
00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:38,880
no no this is the house I was uh raised

804
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:39,539
in

805
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:43,980
and we've had uh like

806
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,279
traffic before but uh nothing I mean I

807
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,440
don't ever recall seeing any little guys

808
00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:51,840
running around when I was a kid

809
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,899
I don't know did they follow me home

810
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,940
from uh California or something who

811
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,039
knows I don't know

812
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,140
yeah you might be safer out on the road

813
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,240
on on Halloween it might be safer to be

814
00:34:07,570 --> 00:34:06,480
outside of your house exactly

815
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:07,580
yeah

816
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,440
we have a go we have a ghost cat that we

817
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:12,359
see a lot I think that's what we see the

818
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,780
most uh besides the shadow thing but uh

819
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:18,119
yeah we've got like a ghost cat a gray

820
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:19,859
cat doesn't look like any cats we've

821
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:22,859
ever had and I do have cats so right

822
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,599
away I'm like ah was that one of my cats

823
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:27,240
but no no this thing me and my father

824
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,460
cornered it one time up in up in their

825
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:31,800
bedroom okay and he swore up and down I

826
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,260
got the cat I finally got the cat and

827
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,359
we're like what's going on

828
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:38,879
we go up there and he's got the door

829
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:40,859
shut and he's like you go that side I'll

830
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:41,879
go to this side we're gonna go we're

831
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,300
gonna get this cat finally and I saw the

832
00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:48,240
thing under the bed it was a it was a

833
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:51,780
great cat and we started to go after it

834
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:54,060
and we never could get it again I saw it

835
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:55,379
the one time

836
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:58,520
up there and I we didn't see it again

837
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:00,839
was it even a cat

838
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:03,420
yeah right who knows it could have been

839
00:35:08,349 --> 00:35:06,960
that little guy I don't know could have

840
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:08,359
been

841
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,339
as Sam said before they can is it a cat

842
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:14,400
any way that I want or was it alive at

843
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:16,440
one point

844
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:18,839
uh well see no it's not a cat that I

845
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:20,520
read

846
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:23,640
so and and we do have like a little pet

847
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,220
cemetery out in the back but

848
00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:29,400
not nothing big detail there

849
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:34,250
it's our pets so it's like only like

850
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:48,650
go further through the trees to see if

851
00:36:07,670 --> 00:35:58,310
have you seen even things at Cemetery

852
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,109
hahaha

853
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,760
oh my gosh so I guess it's my turn since

854
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,160
Vincent already went it's my turn

855
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:16,440
so yeah I jumped in there sorry no

856
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:19,440
you're fine no you're fine so this is

857
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,700
going to be totally different than

858
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:22,380
fairies and everything else this is

859
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:25,619
personal this is something for my family

860
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,339
so when I was growing up

861
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,560
my mom and grandmother would always like

862
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:33,359
have this argument about this woman

863
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,920
named Helen

864
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:37,920
I I didn't know because I was little you

865
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,420
don't know these things when your

866
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:41,040
parents or your grandparents and

867
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,040
everyone argues so as I got older

868
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:47,040
and I asked about her and my mom it was

869
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,599
just me and my mom and my mom looked at

870
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:51,540
me and she said I hate that woman you

871
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,339
know I wish we had never met her all

872
00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:55,200
this and I'm just like what you know so

873
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:58,280
she told me my grandmother had always

874
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,740
wanted to be able to read tarot cards

875
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:03,900
see the future and all this because my

876
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:06,420
mom was very good at tarot cards

877
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,660
and so Helen was apparently a tear a

878
00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:11,460
tarot card reader I used the term

879
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:13,800
loosely because that's how my mom used

880
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:16,859
it so my grandmother went to her

881
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,640
and my girlfriend just worshiped her

882
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:22,560
strangely okay

883
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:26,040
and we have a dog

884
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,680
and so sorry about that so it's okay so

885
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:33,900
my grandmother was like my mom was like

886
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,079
17 or 18 at the time she was like you

887
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:38,880
have to come and see her she is

888
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:40,859
wonderful you're going to love her

889
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:42,660
she'll she'll read your tea leaves she's

890
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:45,540
amazing and I was like whatever okay

891
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,440
I'll go you know so she went to Helen's

892
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,119
house and my mom said when I stepped

893
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:53,880
inside I never got so sick she said the

894
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,060
entire house was painted black

895
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,520
I'm like okay she said except for her

896
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,079
daughter's room which was painted pink

897
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,420
and she said Helen had hated her

898
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:04,800
daughter

899
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:07,980
I said okay and so my mom said she got

900
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:10,680
her tea leaves you know read by her and

901
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:12,359
she said I didn't believe a word she

902
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:15,180
said to me and she said she looked at me

903
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:17,400
and she said you think I'm a fraud but

904
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,800
you're going to see the truth soon

905
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:22,320
and my mom said you know she outright

906
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,060
called her a fraud and she said the cup

907
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,920
she was holding flew out of her hand

908
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,900
smashed into the wall

909
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,520
hit the ground

910
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:31,680
it didn't break

911
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,000
and and yeah and so you know my mom said

912
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,680
to my grandmother we're leaving you're

913
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:39,599
coming with me or you're staying but I'm

914
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:40,500
leaving

915
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,260
and so they left and this was Pittsburgh

916
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,660
this was where it took place

917
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:47,339
and so they're driving over one of the

918
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:50,579
bridges to get back to the house and

919
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,220
this my mom said it was a cat that ran

920
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:55,920
out in front of the car and the car spun

921
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:58,619
and almost went off the bridge

922
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:00,780
and my mom just turned to my grandmother

923
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,940
and said it was her

924
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:04,740
I'm never going back there and you

925
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,839
you're not to go back there

926
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,400
my grandmother said well I'm going back

927
00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:10,800
there she's a wonderful person she

928
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,780
promised me all this blah blah blah my

929
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,820
mom was just like I want nothing to do

930
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:17,040
with you I want nothing to do with her

931
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,359
okay

932
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:21,599
so that was that was the beginning

933
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,220
and then so I learned that my

934
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:25,260
grandmother was very friendly with her

935
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,940
up and to the point you know she found

936
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,920
my mom found out her daughter Helen's

937
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:30,720
daughter had committed suicide off the

938
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,859
same Bridge

939
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:34,560
okay this was maybe two years later

940
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,079
there was no reason no rhyme the girl

941
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:39,900
just committed suicide

942
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:43,859
so then Helen Helen died and my

943
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:45,300
grandmother was very insistent in going

944
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:46,740
to the funeral she's like you're going

945
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:47,940
to take me

946
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:50,579
I have to be there my mom's like

947
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,740
you know I'll take you but I'm not going

948
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:54,960
in so my mom takes her

949
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:57,300
my grandmother goes in my mom locks the

950
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:58,920
car she's like I'm sitting here I'm

951
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,780
locking the car don't want nothing to do

952
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,640
with anyone she said everyone was

953
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,000
walking past this guy comes up knocks on

954
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:08,700
her window I was like okay she puts the

955
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:10,380
window down this much

956
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,839
she said he was the best looking man she

957
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:14,700
had ever seen he looked like he stepped

958
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:16,440
out of a magazine

959
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:19,920
and he said to her because my mom went

960
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,920
by Bernie he said hi Bernie we've been

961
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:24,560
waiting for you

962
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,320
oh look at him and she's like yeah she's

963
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:31,140
like I've never met you before who are

964
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:33,660
you she she's from Pittsburgh so she

965
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,940
said something more colorful and she's

966
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:37,920
like you know you know he's like why

967
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,500
don't you come in it's a party you know

968
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:42,720
we're all friends here come in

969
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:46,140
I was like no I'm fine right here

970
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,880
she said I'm waiting for that one in

971
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,200
there when she comes out we're going

972
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:51,359
home and he's like you don't know what

973
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:52,680
you're missing he's like but I'll see

974
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:55,260
you soon in a few years

975
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:59,280
my mom was like okay sure and so after

976
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,780
the funeral

977
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:02,820
my grandmother was always insisted about

978
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:04,200
this I didn't know what it was till my

979
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:05,400
mom told me

980
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,800
Helen had this book

981
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:09,599
and I remember my mom saying it was a

982
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,420
leather book and it was very nicely made

983
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,000
and everything her husband Helen's

984
00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:17,040
husband had taken it and ran off into

985
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,599
the woods with it

986
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:20,220
and the book and him were never seen

987
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,599
again

988
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:24,060
nobody knew what happened to him there

989
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:26,700
was no record of him and they they never

990
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,980
found the book

991
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,200
and my grandmother always said that

992
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,020
Helen promised her that book that book

993
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,760
was meant for her

994
00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:38,640
and my mom just my mom blew it off

995
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:41,339
so a few years before my mom died she

996
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,260
kind of looked at me once and said did

997
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,240
you ever notice how your grandmother's

998
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:47,760
face would change

999
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,740
I said to her

1000
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:51,660
that you know I thought about it at

1001
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,099
first I said no because I brushed her

1002
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,720
off and I'm like not really and I

1003
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:55,920
thought about it

1004
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:59,760
and I said yeah yeah it would it would

1005
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,660
change

1006
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:02,880
one minute she would look like you know

1007
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,339
some of the pictures and the next she

1008
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:06,720
would just look like a totally different

1009
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,660
person that I didn't even know

1010
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:12,240
and it was just the worst thing and her

1011
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,579
she ended up passing away and it was it

1012
00:42:19,930 --> 00:42:16,260
was the worst

1013
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:19,940
see that guy again

1014
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,380
she did end up seeing him a few years

1015
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,520
later yeah

1016
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:25,500
and what happened when she saw that guy

1017
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:26,940
again

1018
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,119
he so what happened and it was it was

1019
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:32,640
very strange so she was working she was

1020
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,220
working as a nurse okay and she was

1021
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:37,560
working with another nurse and the nurse

1022
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,420
had asked her for a ride home everybody

1023
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,760
my mom worked with was like don't give

1024
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:43,440
her a ride home she's weird

1025
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:45,300
and I was like I'm gonna give her a ride

1026
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,740
home it's like right on the way it's

1027
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,880
gonna be fine

1028
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:50,640
my mom gave her a ride home my mom said

1029
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:53,339
to me that the lady's name was Betty

1030
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:55,140
she's like Betty never gave me

1031
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:56,579
directions

1032
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,980
but I got to her house she said it was

1033
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,440
in the project complex she said I never

1034
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:04,560
got directions but I got to her house

1035
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,260
and I'm like okay and she said so Betty

1036
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:09,599
invited me and she she complained that

1037
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:11,339
like her kids never came around they

1038
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:12,119
didn't

1039
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:16,619
her friends were and she said to my mom

1040
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:17,940
she's like do you want to see a really

1041
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:19,260
neat trick

1042
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:21,540
I was like okay so they because they

1043
00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:22,859
were in her house

1044
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,319
Betty pulls back the rug

1045
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,079
and opens like the floor and she pulls

1046
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,540
out an almost identical book to what my

1047
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:32,520
mom had said Helen had

1048
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,520
and she set it down she said yeah she

1049
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:37,680
said the pages started turning and

1050
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:39,480
everything and my mom's like you know

1051
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:40,200
what

1052
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:43,500
she's like I I don't want anything to do

1053
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:45,480
with you I don't want anything to do

1054
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:46,859
with this I'm done

1055
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,260
so I think it was a few weeks later my

1056
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:51,540
mom gets into work and they're like

1057
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:53,940
you're you're up on this floor

1058
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,300
but it's a secured floor

1059
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:59,400
and my mom's like why do we have

1060
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,380
prisoners in what what do we have going

1061
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,599
on and like just just go up there you'll

1062
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:05,640
see she walks on the floor there was her

1063
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:08,460
there was another uh mail orderly who

1064
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:10,500
was studying to be a priest

1065
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:12,540
there was two other nurses and a

1066
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:15,180
security guard sitting outside the door

1067
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,339
and yeah and the floor was basically

1068
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:19,380
vacant other than that they had moved

1069
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:21,300
all the patients out

1070
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:23,880
and my mom was like so is it a VIP

1071
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:26,220
what's going on and the one nurse said

1072
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,460
to her it's Betty they brought Betty in

1073
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:31,200
and she's bad

1074
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:33,300
my mom's like what what do you mean

1075
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:36,060
she's bad and the orderly who is

1076
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:38,040
studying to be a priest said to her he

1077
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,660
said a couple things and he's like I'm

1078
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,040
not going in there because when I go in

1079
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,380
there she freaks out she's already snap

1080
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:46,079
restraints we've we've restrained her by

1081
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,880
fours we're not go I'm not going in

1082
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:48,960
there

1083
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:51,060
I'm gonna you're overreacting I'm going

1084
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,900
again she went in there and she calmed

1085
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:56,760
down when she saw my mom my mom's like

1086
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,460
what's going on and she's like

1087
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,680
I don't want him in here

1088
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,839
and and she started my mom said she

1089
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:05,700
started speaking in tongues

1090
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,500
she started hissing

1091
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:09,960
and my mom turned around I was like yeah

1092
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,300
she said too early you need to leave he

1093
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:13,680
stood outside the door and I was like

1094
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,180
what happened Betty you know what what

1095
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,040
drugs did you take

1096
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,680
and she looked at my mom and she said I

1097
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,780
didn't take any drugs she's like they're

1098
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:23,819
coming to get me don't let them take my

1099
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,800
ring

1100
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:27,599
and I was like well no one's gonna take

1101
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,579
your jewelry you know you know you know

1102
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:31,200
how the boss is we're all family here

1103
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,480
you're fine she's like no you don't

1104
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:35,700
understand they will do anything to get

1105
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:37,140
me

1106
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,240
my mom was like okay

1107
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:41,640
so it was she said it was like six

1108
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,040
o'clock when she came on so as the night

1109
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,619
we're on they they shut the floor down

1110
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:47,760
you know how in the hospital they shut

1111
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,740
the floor down she said the doors

1112
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:51,359
started flying open

1113
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,819
the doors were slamming the monitors

1114
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:56,040
were going all flatlining

1115
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,920
in case she kept snapping the restraints

1116
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,660
she said so around I think it was

1117
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:01,920
midnight

1118
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:05,280
she said that the doors open and two

1119
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,619
guys walked in

1120
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:09,480
and they just walked around the entire

1121
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:10,920
nurses station they didn't see their

1122
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:12,540
faces they walked around nurses station

1123
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:16,319
and walked out and they they started

1124
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:17,880
freaking out like how did these guys get

1125
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:21,000
on this locked unit and Betty was being

1126
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:22,980
transferred to Western Psych in the

1127
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:24,839
morning Western Psych is a mental

1128
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,339
hospital in Pittsburgh

1129
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:28,740
so they they didn't know what else to do

1130
00:46:32,569 --> 00:46:30,180
with her

1131
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,579
so my mom went in because you have to go

1132
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,280
in and check the patient and Betty said

1133
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,040
to my Mom they're outside the window

1134
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,460
they're up about like eight ten floors

1135
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:43,200
my mom's like nobody's outside the

1136
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:45,300
window I'll go look she pulls open the

1137
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:47,099
curtain there was a guy right outside

1138
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:49,140
the window

1139
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:51,000
and my mom was like

1140
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:53,160
she she said I remember looking dead at

1141
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:55,020
him and then closing the curtains and

1142
00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:57,660
like nope no I'm not doing this either

1143
00:47:02,569 --> 00:46:59,819
and she had the orderly because she had

1144
00:47:05,569 --> 00:47:02,579
holy water with him he doused the room

1145
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,579
and Betty just screamed

1146
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:07,560
she said oh my gosh

1147
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:10,980
yeah it was the worst screaming so you

1148
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:12,300
know they made they made it through the

1149
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:13,800
morning they were getting her out and

1150
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,020
she was she was settled she was just

1151
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,760
panicking

1152
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,880
and they got her downstairs and they

1153
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,319
said well you have someone has to ride

1154
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,540
with her from the hospital to do the

1155
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,119
paperwork mine was like I guess I'll go

1156
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:29,280
because they had they had a pump full of

1157
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:30,900
drugs and everything and she said to the

1158
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:32,819
ambulance guy she's like when we get in

1159
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,980
you're going to hit the sirens and

1160
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:36,960
you're just going to go I don't care if

1161
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:38,280
it's the parkway we're going to make

1162
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,660
room and go

1163
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:42,720
and my mom said she got in and when she

1164
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:45,240
got in she said she turned her head and

1165
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:47,160
there were two guys

1166
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,900
on the one corner

1167
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:51,240
and they kind of moved apart and the guy

1168
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:53,460
that was at Helen's funeral came and

1169
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,740
stood in between them and he waved at

1170
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,540
her

1171
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:59,880
and my mom said she she looked at the

1172
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:00,900
paramedic and she's like you're gonna

1173
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,540
lock this door we're going now and the

1174
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,760
guy was like she's she's unconscious

1175
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,020
she's not gonna hurt her she's like I'm

1176
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,079
not worried about her so they they start

1177
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:12,660
going they have the sirens going and

1178
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:14,700
everything suddenly the doors start

1179
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:17,420
flying open on the parkway

1180
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:21,000
my mom is like I told you we we need to

1181
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:22,680
go so like they're holding the doors

1182
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:24,359
they get the Western's like the

1183
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:26,819
ambulance Cruise like we had enough we

1184
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:28,619
had enough of this she's your problem

1185
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:31,500
now you sign the paperwork we're done

1186
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:34,560
and my mom was like that that was the

1187
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:37,980
last time that Betty had walked into

1188
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:39,000
um

1189
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:40,560
the hospital I don't want named the

1190
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:42,660
hospital because it's you know it's no

1191
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:44,760
longer with us the hospital but then a

1192
00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:46,200
few years later when my parents got

1193
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,839
engaged where my mom worked

1194
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,359
she saw this really old woman

1195
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:54,240
and she walked past her and my mom said

1196
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:55,980
because my mom remembered everyone she

1197
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:58,800
stopped and she's like I know you she's

1198
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:00,300
like Betty

1199
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,339
aged almost 100 years

1200
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:07,859
and so like Betty didn't recognize her

1201
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:10,319
Betty didn't know who my mom was

1202
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:13,319
and you know my mom she felt awful and

1203
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:15,540
so she had my dad had proposed to her

1204
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:17,940
that day so she got you know she went

1205
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,800
down she got in the car she said she had

1206
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:21,240
yellow roses from him and everything

1207
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:23,880
they got in the car he wanted to pull

1208
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,180
out Betty jumped out the window and

1209
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:29,040
landed on his car

1210
00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:32,940
she she had committed them yeah

1211
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:35,579
yeah

1212
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:42,119
don't need to watch a horror movie this

1213
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,040
season now I just heard one that is some

1214
00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:45,839
of the craziest stuff I've ever heard

1215
00:49:52,569 --> 00:49:48,859
all right that's enough looks good night

1216
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:52,579
wow yeah wow

1217
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:55,260
it was I mean you could tell when she

1218
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,060
told it she was just so uncomfortable

1219
00:50:02,990 --> 00:49:59,700
and it affected her so bad like she was

1220
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,000
so she felt so bad for her that like she

1221
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,160
said she it couldn't be more than six

1222
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,200
months since she had seen her

1223
00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:09,000
and she looked like she had aged 100

1224
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:11,060
years

1225
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,940
and then to do that yeah

1226
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,140
yeah

1227
00:50:21,309 --> 00:50:18,240
that's

1228
00:50:25,309 --> 00:50:21,319
makes me wonder how how much uh

1229
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:25,319
possessions and and uh mental uh issues

1230
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,060
uh

1231
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:29,579
could could you know be crossed over

1232
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:30,839
like uh

1233
00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:33,540
how many times has a possession been you

1234
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:36,420
know somebody's got a mental disorder or

1235
00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:39,240
or the other way around

1236
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:40,500
yeah

1237
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:44,220
what to do with her so they shipped her

1238
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,740
off to a psychiatric hospital

1239
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:49,680
that's unbelievable yeah

1240
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:53,280
I've I've heard similar stories that

1241
00:51:02,510 --> 00:50:56,579
um yeah that's close to home huh that's

1242
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,549
yeah

1243
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:06,240
when she speaks

1244
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,780
that's that's an indicator I think that

1245
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:11,760
there's something else going on that

1246
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:13,980
that's I mean how how does a crazy

1247
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:16,980
person know a foreign language they've

1248
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:19,260
never learned you'd mentioned that

1249
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:21,960
something about speaking in tongues so I

1250
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:23,640
think that's a sign that it's something

1251
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:25,500
else

1252
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,980
right and I can guarantee you you know

1253
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:31,200
knowing where my mom worked knowing the

1254
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,220
area

1255
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,559
that that wasn't being taught then to

1256
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:37,440
anybody they like any school even if it

1257
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:39,300
was a Catholic school they had phased

1258
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:40,200
that out

1259
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,140
you know wow and because my mom learns

1260
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,480
in Latin when she she went to Catholic

1261
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:47,460
school and she said she didn't even

1262
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,619
understand what she was saying

1263
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,480
you know and that must have been

1264
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:53,819
terrible yeah

1265
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,300
yeah I I could imagine I could only

1266
00:52:03,010 --> 00:52:00,240
imagine and she's she said that it was

1267
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:03,020
it was one of the worst days

1268
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,819
yeah well

1269
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:10,319
yeah I can't think it would get much

1270
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:12,059
worse than that to Vincent's Point as

1271
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:14,280
well I do think that it's sometimes

1272
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,380
difficult to determine

1273
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,780
genuine possession from mental illness

1274
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:21,359
and I'm sure there are people in

1275
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:24,599
insane asylums who have other spiritual

1276
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:26,940
problems and there are probably people

1277
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:30,599
walking around that you know that think

1278
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,980
they're just spiritually gifted or

1279
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:33,900
something and you know a mentally

1280
00:52:38,210 --> 00:52:35,700
troubled but I have a good friend who's

1281
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:38,220
an exorcist um or was an exorcist he's

1282
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:40,859
not anymore and Ed Schultz is his name

1283
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,119
he used to be an exorcist for the

1284
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:43,920
Warrens Ed and Lorraine Warren amongst

1285
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:46,440
others used to be known as the psychic

1286
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:48,300
priest and he talks about how he was

1287
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,000
very careful when he when he would do

1288
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,000
exorcisms like he would do tests to try

1289
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:56,700
to ensure that it wasn't just a mental

1290
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,920
illness and in fact he's writing a book

1291
00:53:02,210 --> 00:53:00,720
now I can't wait to read his Memoirs

1292
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:02,220
because I think he goes through a lot of

1293
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,660
that in the book The difficulty

1294
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,240
sometimes and how careful you had to be

1295
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:09,000
trying to determine if it was just a

1296
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:11,099
psychiatric disorder or whether somebody

1297
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:13,800
had been you know taken over by

1298
00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:16,200
something which was from the other side

1299
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:19,619
or which wasn't human right well Dean

1300
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:22,500
um I have a question for you then uh for

1301
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,780
everyone really to consider do you think

1302
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:27,180
perhaps that it could

1303
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,359
um and perhaps even many instances be

1304
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,400
both in the sense that when someone is

1305
00:53:38,589 --> 00:53:35,040
vulnerable they maybe already have

1306
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,599
mental issues and they are targeted

1307
00:53:43,549 --> 00:53:41,400
human and that they then become

1308
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:43,559
possessed because they are fragile and

1309
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,000
because they're already vulnerable

1310
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:46,980
people do you think that that could be a

1311
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,440
possibility

1312
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:51,359
yeah I think I think with in some cases

1313
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,700
that would definitely be in fact it's

1314
00:53:58,130 --> 00:53:55,859
hard to imagine somebody who is very

1315
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,140
spiritually centered and very

1316
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:00,960
psychologically stable to have the type

1317
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:03,420
of problem one way or the other be it a

1318
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,540
possession or a mental you know a mental

1319
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:08,640
problem so I yeah I could imagine that

1320
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:10,740
somebody who is weak would be

1321
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,500
susceptible both to a psychic collapse

1322
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,359
as well as to something from out side

1323
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:16,800
taking advantage of them I think you're

1324
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,540
dead on Sam I bet you that's the case a

1325
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:21,359
lot of the time I also wonder uh whether

1326
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,740
if someone is uh more inclined to and I

1327
00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:27,960
hate to use the word belief but

1328
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:30,440
um when someone is particularly a

1329
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:33,680
practicing Christian or someone who has

1330
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:37,079
a deep rooted Faith that's incredibly

1331
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:38,220
strong in their family and their

1332
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,579
upbringing they also perhaps more likely

1333
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:43,440
to be targeted because they're in that

1334
00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:45,540
world of understanding and that realm of

1335
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:48,359
that species of attack whereas if an

1336
00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:49,619
atheist or someone who's not even

1337
00:54:55,329 --> 00:54:52,619
familiar with it may not be

1338
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:55,339
um does it in in fact perhaps attract

1339
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,780
possession by developing it you know

1340
00:55:00,589 --> 00:54:59,040
people always you know you should mess

1341
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,599
with a Ouija board even though it was a

1342
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:02,700
Victorian parlor game

1343
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:04,440
um it's still a Gateway and when you

1344
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,780
inflate something it's the intention so

1345
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:08,940
perhaps to be fearful of demons might in

1346
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:10,680
fact attract them

1347
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:16,910
because sometimes it might attract them

1348
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:18,900
but sometimes also there might be a

1349
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,480
level of protection for people with a

1350
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:23,280
strong faith in whatever the tradition

1351
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,619
is there might be an idea that there are

1352
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:27,599
barriers up that stop the evil from

1353
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:29,460
coming and maybe it's the person in the

1354
00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:31,559
middle maybe it's the person who's the

1355
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:33,300
lapse I mean I'm not a Catholic but

1356
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,740
maybe it's the person who's the lapsed

1357
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:36,240
Catholic who isn't practicing anymore

1358
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:38,940
but is cognizant of demonic you know

1359
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,940
possession who might be more susceptible

1360
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:44,640
because they themselves then either they

1361
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:46,260
don't have that protection anymore or

1362
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,520
they don't believe they have the

1363
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,960
protection anymore if we want to look at

1364
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:50,700
it psychologically so I think you're

1365
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:51,900
onto something I think there's probably

1366
00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:53,220
something to it it's the same in

1367
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,859
Australia they used to talk about

1368
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:58,079
um I guess the equivalent of sham and

1369
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,940
the type of the wise men or the medicine

1370
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:02,160
men types of Aboriginal people would do

1371
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,200
something called point the bone and that

1372
00:56:08,349 --> 00:56:05,760
would essentially be a way you would

1373
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:08,359
kill somebody with a psychic you know

1374
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,579
bad mojo projection but it never worked

1375
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,619
on it never worked on you know white

1376
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:15,540
colonists because they they didn't

1377
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:17,220
believe so if they but it would work

1378
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:19,319
often on people who were in that belief

1379
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:21,059
system so yeah you have to sometimes ask

1380
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,640
too how much is that psychological

1381
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:25,920
position of the person how much does it

1382
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,260
put them In Harm's Way yeah so it's yeah

1383
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:30,420
it's certainly a good question

1384
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,500
um

1385
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,839
I might add I think there's a couple of

1386
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,240
factors that might make someone more

1387
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:40,079
susceptible to possession and I mean I'm

1388
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,059
not an expert but this is just the stuff

1389
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:44,819
that I'm hearing and seeing from people

1390
00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:46,920
um they say that the devil is tempted by

1391
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:50,339
someone who chose to be naive and chose

1392
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:52,680
to be vulnerable and very open and

1393
00:56:58,990 --> 00:56:55,740
receptive to these kind of dark things

1394
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,000
even displaying an inordinate interest

1395
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:01,680
like tonight we're all you know we have

1396
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,720
listeners who are obviously listening

1397
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:05,520
you know for the purpose of hearing

1398
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:07,859
about these strange things we ourselves

1399
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:09,960
are interested in these types of topics

1400
00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:13,440
and that in itself attracts certain

1401
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:16,980
negative energies to us

1402
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:19,260
um you know and then some of us of

1403
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:21,240
course are probably more I'm not saying

1404
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:23,819
we are but maybe some are more

1405
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:27,000
vulnerable to those intrusions

1406
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:29,339
um you know someone who is seen as maybe

1407
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:33,480
displaying a desire to work within the

1408
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:36,780
dark arts or maybe dabble in what you

1409
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,000
were talking about the Ouija board it

1410
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,480
might be inviting something in

1411
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:44,520
um and maybe they see this person as

1412
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:46,980
being weaker than others and the easier

1413
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:51,240
to possess or take over so that's just

1414
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:53,220
my opinion I think that sometimes people

1415
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:56,819
tend to show too much interest in the

1416
00:58:03,670 --> 00:57:58,920
negative entities and that in itself

1417
00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:07,069
yeah I think and I agree with that

1418
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:12,470
you're on mute Sam

1419
00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:18,950
John Key John Keel made the point that

1420
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:22,260
Albert K Bender the first person who had

1421
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:25,079
the classic Men In Black experience he

1422
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:27,480
was the person who shut down an early

1423
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:30,180
Flying Saucer investigation type of Club

1424
00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:32,220
when he was visited by these three men

1425
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,619
in black and as the legend is you know

1426
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:35,760
he later said they were

1427
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:37,380
extraterrestrials or whatever else but

1428
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:39,660
Keel made the point of saying that

1429
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:41,880
Bender was very much involved in the

1430
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:43,799
occult and you know he was into you know

1431
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:45,780
the Paranormal in a big way as well and

1432
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:48,119
in fact Keel would say something very

1433
00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:50,700
similar he would say that the way if

1434
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:52,260
you're being haunted by these type of

1435
00:58:57,289 --> 00:58:54,540
things be it extraterrestrial intrusions

1436
00:58:59,870 --> 00:58:57,299
or be a demonic manifestations a bit

1437
00:59:01,849 --> 00:58:59,880
Poltergeist activity you should burn all

1438
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,859
of your books on UFOs burn all your

1439
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:03,720
books on the Paranormal stop thinking

1440
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:06,119
about it all together so I think Diana's

1441
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:08,280
Point that's exactly true I think we I

1442
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:09,780
think people can open themselves

1443
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,099
particularly people are already

1444
00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:13,200
susceptible to this kind of stuff when

1445
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:14,819
you have an interest in it it's like you

1446
00:59:18,829 --> 00:59:16,920
know the old saying if you stare long

1447
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:18,839
enough into the abyss the nature quote

1448
00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:20,460
the abyss stares are back now of course

1449
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:22,440
Nietzsche didn't mean that literally but

1450
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,660
I think I think we can literalize it to

1451
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,160
a degree in the Paranormal I think if

1452
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:27,599
you're looking into this stuff all the

1453
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:28,559
time

1454
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:31,140
it can get your attention you know it

1455
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:33,960
can you can notice that you noticed it I

1456
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,880
think it takes a toll on some some of

1457
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:38,160
the investigators and researchers yeah

1458
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,339
absolutely yeah I think as I was going

1459
00:59:44,930 --> 00:59:43,559
to say before before I um foolishly

1460
00:59:45,609 --> 00:59:44,940
minted myself

1461
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,619
um

1462
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:48,720
no if you uh if you grab a tiger by the

1463
00:59:52,910 --> 00:59:50,339
tail there's only going to be so many

1464
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:55,670
and that's true now

1465
01:00:04,150 --> 00:59:57,960
you know unless it's a stuffed toy or

1466
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,329
but no I I agree with you Anna like in

1467
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:10,799
in my case with my grandmother she she

1468
01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:13,440
embraced it because

1469
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,780
I'm assuming there were things promised

1470
01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:17,460
and

1471
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:19,859
I I don't know if she ever got anything

1472
01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:24,180
it's in that book ah man I tell you I oh

1473
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:26,339
my God it was it was just she always

1474
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:28,260
complained that that was her book that

1475
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:30,599
was promised to her you know that was

1476
01:00:36,829 --> 01:00:32,460
supposed to be hers

1477
01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:36,839
and it's just in her case she wanted she

1478
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:38,819
wanted to be able to

1479
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:41,220
do what my mother was able to do do what

1480
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:42,660
I was able to do

1481
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:44,220
and then some

1482
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:48,180
you know that's I think what she wanted

1483
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,839
and somehow she got Lord in and

1484
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:53,280
yeah

1485
01:00:58,690 --> 01:00:56,579
so I I agree you know she's the type who

1486
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:58,700
embraced it

1487
01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:01,140
I think that's that's a big part of it

1488
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:04,040
as well is embracing it uh again you you

1489
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:08,280
can only poo poo it and woo-woo it so

1490
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:10,680
much things start to happen and I think

1491
01:01:13,849 --> 01:01:12,180
it piques a lot of people's interests

1492
01:01:15,849 --> 01:01:13,859
and sometimes they go down the Avenue of

1493
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:15,859
expectance and they're not really

1494
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:17,819
entirely sure what they're going to get

1495
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:20,579
but they go too far

1496
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,940
um yeah yeah I uh

1497
01:01:26,809 --> 01:01:25,740
get the chills with those kind of things

1498
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,819
for sure

1499
01:01:29,329 --> 01:01:28,319
all right I've got a question for the

1500
01:01:32,329 --> 01:01:29,339
panel

1501
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:32,339
um have either of any of you guys ever

1502
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:36,480
had a like a ghost uh um either siding

1503
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:40,980
or or uh experience of some sort

1504
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:51,049
could you tell us about one

1505
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:52,670
you mean me

1506
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,480
yes just please yes

1507
01:02:01,010 --> 01:01:58,799
well I I don't know

1508
01:02:03,609 --> 01:02:01,020
um many people know I was born and

1509
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:03,619
raised in the Philippines and um

1510
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:08,040
I actually grew up in a house that ended

1511
01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:08,700
up

1512
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,339
uh being the graveyard an unofficial

1513
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,160
graveyard for Japanese soldiers

1514
01:02:19,010 --> 01:02:17,040
uh it wasn't until much later when they

1515
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,020
uneartheded the fact that the backyard

1516
01:02:23,809 --> 01:02:21,180
had a lot of Bones

1517
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:23,819
uh and there were relics of you know

1518
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:25,799
uniforms and things of that nature

1519
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,280
metals that were buried in their parts

1520
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:31,680
of skeletons and things of that nature

1521
01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:33,480
the entire development that we found

1522
01:02:37,569 --> 01:02:36,299
ourselves in that my grand grandparents

1523
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:37,579
bought

1524
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:40,559
they built houses hastily right after

1525
01:02:46,370 --> 01:02:43,380
World War II without looking at what was

1526
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:46,380
in the soil so it was replete with

1527
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,599
hauntings there was a lot of stuff that

1528
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,359
was um showing itself as soon as

1529
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,280
Twilight hit you would go in the

1530
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:54,960
backyard you don't want to be there but

1531
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:56,339
you know a lot of people didn't know

1532
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,119
this you would see a man who was sitting

1533
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:02,520
uh right on the ground he had his legs

1534
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,220
folded up and he looked like he was

1535
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,680
wearing tethered clothing and he looked

1536
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,119
like he starved to death or he was

1537
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,280
starving to death and his eyes are

1538
01:03:16,849 --> 01:03:13,200
Furious he looks at you right at you

1539
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:16,859
with red eyes full of Rage

1540
01:03:21,289 --> 01:03:18,839
um that was just one of many sightings

1541
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,299
we've had ones where the open window if

1542
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,760
you're standing right next to it you

1543
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:25,680
know or you're in the bathroom on the

1544
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:27,000
second floor I remember there's an uncle

1545
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:28,200
we drew

1546
01:03:32,569 --> 01:03:30,420
went up to bed around 12 o'clock

1547
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:32,579
midnight was brushing his teeth and he

1548
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:36,839
distinctly felt the breath of someone by

1549
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:38,700
his ear

1550
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:41,760
there was one where uh there was a

1551
01:03:46,849 --> 01:03:44,280
servant that my family had hired and

1552
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,859
that she was feeding the cats in the

1553
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,240
backyard

1554
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,460
um animals were not fed inside the house

1555
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,559
not like here you know you give the dogs

1556
01:03:56,809 --> 01:03:55,200
their food inside it animals were fed

1557
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:56,819
inside the house and usually they were

1558
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:59,099
fed in the backyard and as she proceeded

1559
01:04:02,329 --> 01:04:00,240
down there

1560
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:02,339
there was a man who was just standing

1561
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:04,920
there looked like he had you know your

1562
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:07,140
proverbial horns in his head

1563
01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:10,980
but he had a face that resembled

1564
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:12,980
something like a cow

1565
01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:16,980
with huge pupils the eyes of a cat

1566
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:19,500
who knows what that was

1567
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:22,200
but there was just a sense of Madness a

1568
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:24,900
sense of evil uh people who have visited

1569
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:26,819
never came back people are very

1570
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,220
reluctant to stay overnight this was a

1571
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:32,220
pretty big house so we had guest rooms

1572
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:34,140
and everything and people had difficult

1573
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,260
difficulty after dinner staying they

1574
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:39,599
they say they hear voices

1575
01:04:43,970 --> 01:04:42,240
uh when they go to the bathroom they say

1576
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:43,980
they feel like they're being followed

1577
01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:45,180
when they're walking down the hallway

1578
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:48,839
there's just a lot of activity

1579
01:04:53,710 --> 01:04:51,839
is there any cultural tradition there of

1580
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:53,720
something with that strange looking

1581
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:56,160
animalistic face or

1582
01:05:01,670 --> 01:05:00,059
any demon I was wrong a number of

1583
01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:01,680
stories

1584
01:05:06,890 --> 01:05:05,400
um we we also have the version of the

1585
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:06,900
you know the the

1586
01:05:12,289 --> 01:05:10,020
um Elementals something called a capri

1587
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:12,299
who lives to protect the trees and is

1588
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:14,700
usually found folded within the trees

1589
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:17,460
and it does have these horns and it's

1590
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:20,640
about the size of a man uh but there's

1591
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:22,619
also the other version where we just

1592
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,380
because it's a very old country there's

1593
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,839
a lot of Deep Forest where things have

1594
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,520
never been seen you know some places

1595
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:32,160
that are not charted yet

1596
01:05:40,370 --> 01:05:35,520
um but even the most busiest Suburban

1597
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,380
areas have all kinds of manifestations

1598
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:42,319
um even on the road at night

1599
01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:45,839
it tends to be a very dark country I

1600
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:48,119
mean people say it's overpopulated but

1601
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:50,339
you go into a given neighborhood there's

1602
01:05:55,609 --> 01:05:52,980
no Lighting in the streets so who knows

1603
01:05:57,710 --> 01:05:55,619
what you're going to stumble into

1604
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:57,720
yeah you know that that's absolutely

1605
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,059
terrifying it reminds me of a friend of

1606
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:02,400
a friend of mine that uh I went to

1607
01:06:06,770 --> 01:06:05,040
university in England and we had a

1608
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,780
number of foreign students that had

1609
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,400
joined our course from various parts of

1610
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:10,079
the world and one of them was a chap

1611
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:12,540
named Joe jacana junior and he was from

1612
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:16,859
Borneo and he told me that um his his

1613
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:18,720
father would always tell him and his

1614
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,359
friends to never go into the forests or

1615
01:06:25,309 --> 01:06:23,520
the jungle at night

1616
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,319
um because it was haunted and it had all

1617
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:26,880
kinds of spirits and demons that would

1618
01:06:30,289 --> 01:06:28,920
eat you and that kind of thing

1619
01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:30,299
um and most people sort of brushed it

1620
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,460
off as okay well the jungle's just

1621
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,559
dangerous and treacherous anyway there

1622
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:36,240
are wild animals there are cats and

1623
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:38,760
things that might take you away

1624
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:40,980
um even big snakes perhaps so they

1625
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:43,200
didn't really pay much attention to it

1626
01:06:48,049 --> 01:06:45,299
um and yet they were always told to to

1627
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:48,059
be home before the sun goes down

1628
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:49,440
um so they didn't worry their parents

1629
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,780
and so they took the Jeep one night and

1630
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,280
they went to the next town to sort of

1631
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:55,440
find a place to drink

1632
01:06:59,210 --> 01:06:57,480
and uh they lived in the middle of

1633
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:59,220
nowhere kind of thing and then they they

1634
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:00,720
drove back and they thought oh God the

1635
01:07:04,490 --> 01:07:03,180
sun's going down and before they knew it

1636
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,500
they were driving through the dirt road

1637
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,720
to get back to their Village and and it

1638
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,400
was night time and as you say there was

1639
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,559
no lights it was Pitch Black and then

1640
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:12,960
they saw a figure at the side of the

1641
01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:15,420
road ahead of them in the beams of their

1642
01:07:19,329 --> 01:07:16,500
Jeep

1643
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:19,339
and it was a woman wearing a white dress

1644
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:22,140
just stood with their arms outstretched

1645
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,700
towards the vehicle stood at the side of

1646
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:24,960
the road

1647
01:07:30,829 --> 01:07:27,480
and she didn't have a head

1648
01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:32,450
and so they they approached really

1649
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,680
slowly and his friend said no no no keep

1650
01:07:38,029 --> 01:07:36,599
going keep going keep going and they

1651
01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:38,039
heard screaming

1652
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:40,619
and they they would they were looking

1653
01:07:43,609 --> 01:07:42,119
around everywhere and then all of a

1654
01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:43,619
sudden one of their friends says oh my

1655
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:45,480
god look up so they looked up out the

1656
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:46,200
Jeep

1657
01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:49,079
and her head was floating maybe 50 feet

1658
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:52,619
above them screaming down at them and so

1659
01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:54,900
they just pulled pour off and go back to

1660
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:57,000
the Genesis to this day he doesn't know

1661
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:04,910
good grief terrifying I believe I

1662
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,780
believe there's a Cryptid that's uh

1663
01:08:11,450 --> 01:08:09,119
maybe even in the Philippines Anna maybe

1664
01:08:14,210 --> 01:08:11,460
you can help me with this uh that

1665
01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:14,220
separates the top part from the bottom

1666
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:16,940
part on the top part flies around

1667
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:20,699
screams and there there is it's uh it

1668
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,160
I'm trying to remember what it is called

1669
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:25,679
I I see the picture in my head it's a

1670
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:26,640
female

1671
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:29,640
uh and apparently it's vampiric in

1672
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:30,600
nature

1673
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:33,660
and the reason why it haunts that way is

1674
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:35,160
that it's in trying to encourage people

1675
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:37,140
to put the head back together with the

1676
01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:40,140
body from what I understand

1677
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,279
um it's it's it's a very strange type of

1678
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:47,120
I don't know where the story came from

1679
01:08:51,410 --> 01:08:49,560
uh this was something that was

1680
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,420
circulating for a while as a matter of

1681
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:53,759
fact on the internet and there are

1682
01:08:59,390 --> 01:08:56,460
several kinds of hauntings involving

1683
01:09:02,630 --> 01:08:59,400
this woman so Sam what you're talking

1684
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:02,640
about that has a lot of commonality with

1685
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:04,859
something I had heard of before I'm

1686
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:06,900
trying it it's at the tip of my tongue

1687
01:09:11,209 --> 01:09:09,060
I'm trying to remember what it's called

1688
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:11,219
um but we have something very similar

1689
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,500
there where it there's a bride and

1690
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:15,600
apparently the bride got run over by a

1691
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:18,359
car on her uh evening before her wedding

1692
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:21,920
she was carrying her bridal dress

1693
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,560
uh and it was a taxi driver

1694
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:27,120
that hit her

1695
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:29,460
so now the story goes and it's called

1696
01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:34,020
The Legend of baliti Drive uh taxi

1697
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,540
drivers going down this road and he's

1698
01:09:41,150 --> 01:09:38,880
got his last fare with him

1699
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,160
he drops the man off and now he's alone

1700
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,920
and he decides because it's so late that

1701
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:46,560
he's going to take a shortcut

1702
01:09:52,849 --> 01:09:49,140
so of course he takes this shortcut

1703
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:52,859
through the wooded area which happens to

1704
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:56,340
span baliti drive beliti drive is an

1705
01:10:04,130 --> 01:09:59,580
actual Road in Manila it is probably I

1706
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,140
would say maybe 50 miles uh outside of

1707
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,239
the metropolitan area which means it's

1708
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:09,600
pretty dark at night it quickly becomes

1709
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:11,820
very dark when once you leave the city

1710
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,280
you're in pitch dark you're just relying

1711
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,560
on lines on the road

1712
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:19,199
um so he's driving on here and there's

1713
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:21,540
no one else and then in the distance

1714
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,120
there's a woman who's wearing again

1715
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:26,219
and she's waving

1716
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:29,340
and of course he decides it's I think it

1717
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:30,719
might have been like one o'clock or two

1718
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,580
o'clock as the region goes at two

1719
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,920
o'clock in the morning he stops the car

1720
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:36,960
just because he doesn't want to leave

1721
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:40,080
her to walk and uh opens the door lets

1722
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,780
her in and wants to know where she's

1723
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:45,360
going and she doesn't say a word so he

1724
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:48,120
keeps glancing at the rear view mirror

1725
01:10:52,130 --> 01:10:49,800
and suddenly

1726
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:52,140
she's gone

1727
01:10:56,570 --> 01:10:55,679
and then he turns around and it's a

1728
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:56,580
skull

1729
01:11:03,310 --> 01:11:01,440
where the head was

1730
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,320
wow

1731
01:11:09,729 --> 01:11:05,600
and uh

1732
01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:12,709
that looks familiar too

1733
01:11:19,970 --> 01:11:17,219
and uh what happens is he drives away

1734
01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:19,980
um and he never sees her again until the

1735
01:11:25,070 --> 01:11:22,500
next Taxi Driver comes along

1736
01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:25,080
and has the same exact experience around

1737
01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:32,810
it's it's interesting there's a there's

1738
01:11:37,729 --> 01:11:35,219
a predominance of a very similar story

1739
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,739
to that cross-culturally like there are

1740
01:11:41,810 --> 01:11:40,080
many stories in America and I know there

1741
01:11:43,490 --> 01:11:41,820
are in the UK I believe and also I think

1742
01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:43,500
in Australia and probably all around the

1743
01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:47,460
world where often Brides who died or

1744
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,140
other women who died in tragic

1745
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:52,560
circumstances normally younger women

1746
01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:55,020
are picked up as hitchhikers along the

1747
01:11:58,610 --> 01:11:57,060
road or picked up by cab drivers or

1748
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:58,620
picked up for one reason or another

1749
01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:00,060
because they're in the middle of nowhere

1750
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,460
and they look lost or the driver feels

1751
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,560
you know bad for them or they hail even

1752
01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:06,840
the car down and sure enough they get

1753
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,239
into the car and then they disappear one

1754
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:11,760
of the most there's a number of them in

1755
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:14,100
America and for example they'll be

1756
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:15,900
taking a woman to an address she's given

1757
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,940
them and when they get there the house

1758
01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:19,860
that was once there where they where

1759
01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:21,480
they were taking was burnt down and

1760
01:12:25,130 --> 01:12:22,920
they'll look in their back and she's not

1761
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:25,140
there or they'll go to the address this

1762
01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:27,300
is another very common one and some of

1763
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,860
these are probably you know urban

1764
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:30,540
legends but some of them are based I

1765
01:12:35,570 --> 01:12:33,719
think on actual experiences where they

1766
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:35,580
the woman disappears in the car when

1767
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:37,020
they're driving it or the address and

1768
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:38,580
then they go and knock on the door where

1769
01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:40,920
they go and it's answered by somebody

1770
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:42,659
who says oh yes she used to live here

1771
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:44,340
often the parents or sometimes a

1772
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:46,199
relative or somebody later they yeah

1773
01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:47,880
they know that sounds like you know oh

1774
01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:50,580
Mary Sue who died back in 1952 on that

1775
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:52,440
bridge so it's interesting that the

1776
01:12:58,490 --> 01:12:55,199
these things these experiences and these

1777
01:13:00,590 --> 01:12:58,500
Tales seem to be much like the fair

1778
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,600
Focus Mr Sam Sharon was saying before

1779
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,719
tend to be

1780
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,520
cross-culturally ubiquitous they seem to

1781
01:13:09,229 --> 01:13:07,199
appear all around the world and there

1782
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,239
are many tales like that that that's

1783
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,520
that they resonate at some archetypal

1784
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:13,920
level whatever the reality of them or

1785
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:16,199
not the reality they're a part of is

1786
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,300
they're a part of the way we we tell

1787
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:20,640
stories and the way we dream of the or

1788
01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:22,980
the way we imagine the afterlife and

1789
01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:25,140
these people coming back to visitors

1790
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:27,719
these Lost Souls which is obviously also

1791
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:29,880
particularly significant at Halloween

1792
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:32,040
because Halloween's you know one of the

1793
01:13:36,290 --> 01:13:34,020
other things as long as well as the FAE

1794
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,300
it's the lost souls who look in you know

1795
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:39,360
on Halloween night

1796
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:41,460
and some people set tables for the dead

1797
01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:43,860
on Halloween there are Traditions that

1798
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:45,960
like to keep the dead away and so you

1799
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:47,400
might put the jack-o-lant in the window

1800
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,020
to scare them away but there are other

1801
01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:52,320
cultures that actually open the door and

1802
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,179
set the table and the the light in the

1803
01:13:58,189 --> 01:13:56,400
window isn't to scare the debt away but

1804
01:14:00,890 --> 01:13:58,199
it's to welcome the dead in so they can

1805
01:14:02,510 --> 01:14:00,900
find them when they're traveling you

1806
01:14:04,970 --> 01:14:02,520
know in this world and they can come in

1807
01:14:06,169 --> 01:14:04,980
and eat and spend a night in the land of

1808
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:06,179
the living again

1809
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:07,620
so

1810
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,140
you know I I it's I'm always very

1811
01:14:14,209 --> 01:14:12,000
cognizant of both the fair folk and

1812
01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:14,219
those tales of the Dead on Halloween I

1813
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,500
like to remember the old meaning of the

1814
01:14:22,370 --> 01:14:18,719
of the holiday the old meaning of the

1815
01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:26,330
wow

1816
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:29,149
do you think that the veil gets thinner

1817
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:31,020
towards Halloween do you think it's

1818
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:32,940
easier for these things to come through

1819
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:35,100
on Halloween I think I think that's

1820
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:36,780
what's believed I mean traditionally

1821
01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:39,480
that's been the idea and it makes it

1822
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:41,580
makes sense as far it makes more sense

1823
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:43,320
to me now because I'm obviously from

1824
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:46,260
Australia and October in Australia is

1825
01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:48,600
when it's getting warmer and Sydney

1826
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:50,760
unlike where I live in America sure it

1827
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:53,100
gets a little bit colder but most a

1828
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:55,260
brutal winter day is like a spring day

1829
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,260
here or a fall day here in Sydney I mean

1830
01:15:02,510 --> 01:15:00,719
we we never get down to ridiculous

1831
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:02,520
temperatures or we never did but when I

1832
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:05,699
moved here I became very conscious of

1833
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:08,400
that seasonal difference like here when

1834
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:10,500
the days get so much shorter and I have

1835
01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:12,060
a garden and you've got to have been

1836
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:13,980
harvested by that and there was one year

1837
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,960
I didn't have a big enough chicken shed

1838
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:17,520
or a chicken coop I had to build a

1839
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,840
bigger Coop because there wasn't room

1840
01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:20,400
for my chickens before the cold weather

1841
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,380
got here because they knew they wouldn't

1842
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:24,480
make it and people here hunt during gun

1843
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:27,659
season around this time of to bring

1844
01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:29,400
their venison in that they're going to

1845
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,560
bring in for the winter so it's not like

1846
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:33,840
it once was but there's the idea that

1847
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:36,060
you're going into darker days and now of

1848
01:15:40,189 --> 01:15:38,159
course we have the benefits of

1849
01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:40,199
electricity and the internet and we can

1850
01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:42,120
we can be in our warm house and we can

1851
01:15:45,649 --> 01:15:43,800
get in our car and we can drive to our

1852
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,659
cubicle at work and we're not really

1853
01:15:50,450 --> 01:15:47,520
cold for most of it certainly not City

1854
01:15:54,010 --> 01:15:50,460
people but in the olden days

1855
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:54,020
you can see when the days got much

1856
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:57,179
shorter and the night's got much longer

1857
01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:58,860
and you were often

1858
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,080
frightened to go out at night

1859
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,719
and if you hadn't put enough food aside

1860
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:05,280
it could really be the end of you or

1861
01:16:11,209 --> 01:16:07,679
your family that you can imagine how

1862
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:11,219
that other world seems so much closer

1863
01:16:16,010 --> 01:16:13,260
so I think I think some of it's

1864
01:16:18,410 --> 01:16:16,020
culturally bound but I do think there's

1865
01:16:20,570 --> 01:16:18,420
uh you know there where there's smoke

1866
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,580
there's fire with these kind of Legends

1867
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,320
you know I think people probably did

1868
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,239
have more experiences

1869
01:16:27,709 --> 01:16:25,920
and I think some people probably still

1870
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,719
do but again in our in our bright

1871
01:16:31,729 --> 01:16:29,760
electricity lit world today it's you

1872
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:31,739
know it's not scary to go out so much on

1873
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:34,020
Halloween night as it was if you were

1874
01:16:42,410 --> 01:16:38,159
you know an Irish peasant 200 years ago

1875
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,420
do you think maybe also the belief in it

1876
01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:44,159
the belief that the veil is the thinnest

1877
01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:46,860
like a collective belief makes it the

1878
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:49,800
thinnest the next time of the year yeah

1879
01:16:53,290 --> 01:16:51,960
possibly I think I think our

1880
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:53,300
expectations

1881
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,860
Greg Bishop who writes mainly in the

1882
01:16:59,570 --> 01:16:57,600
realm of ufology but he has something

1883
01:17:02,570 --> 01:16:59,580
called co-creation Theory when it

1884
01:17:05,149 --> 01:17:02,580
applies to UFOs and he thinks that we're

1885
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,159
interacting with the phenomenon to to

1886
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,199
have it present to us the way that we

1887
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:09,120
kind of culturally expect it doesn't

1888
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:11,100
mean there isn't an exterior phenomenon

1889
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:14,640
but our beliefs interconnect with it and

1890
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:16,980
yes I certainly think if there is a if

1891
01:17:21,050 --> 01:17:19,140
there's a broad cultural tradition that

1892
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:21,060
these things are going to be more

1893
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:23,040
Apparent at a specific time or a

1894
01:17:27,169 --> 01:17:25,500
specific date then yeah I have no doubt

1895
01:17:29,450 --> 01:17:27,179
that's a very good question Bernadette I

1896
01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:29,460
think that's very telling I do think it

1897
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:31,500
probably impacts what we see and what we

1898
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:34,760
experience those expectations

1899
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,620
I don't know what you think of this but

1900
01:17:43,970 --> 01:17:40,560
um you know the equinoxes the Autumn

1901
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:43,980
Equinox came about and then we also have

1902
01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:46,860
the Druid rights that happen in

1903
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,380
Stonehedge and things of that nature I I

1904
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:51,600
think there's some kind of planetary

1905
01:17:56,750 --> 01:17:54,719
alignment not just the seasons but

1906
01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:56,760
having to do with the alignment of the

1907
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:00,540
planets that cause these um energies

1908
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:03,719
maybe to thin the Veil

1909
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,060
I don't know much about it to really

1910
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:08,400
speak about it but I do know I used to

1911
01:18:14,450 --> 01:18:11,460
attend these equinoxes we had a holistic

1912
01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:14,460
lady here who used to dabble in natural

1913
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:17,699
medicine and she would hold them four

1914
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:20,760
times a year and she explained that it

1915
01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:21,960
was very

1916
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:23,699
um certain medicines

1917
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:27,120
uh for healing were much more effective

1918
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,080
on certain Equinox days so if you

1919
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:34,080
ingested something on an equinox it had

1920
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:35,820
a different effect on your body than

1921
01:18:41,630 --> 01:18:38,820
others so talking about the veil being

1922
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,640
thinner around this time for these types

1923
01:18:45,649 --> 01:18:43,679
of energies I think there might be some

1924
01:18:47,570 --> 01:18:45,659
case for that

1925
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:47,580
yeah that's that's interesting I wonder

1926
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:50,400
if it applies to the solstices as well

1927
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:53,520
because I know that for example the the

1928
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:55,380
Shakespeare play Midsummer's Night

1929
01:19:00,590 --> 01:18:58,140
Midsummer Night's Dream when those kind

1930
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,600
of entities are more active that's the

1931
01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:03,120
that that falls upon the solstice or

1932
01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:05,460
close to the solstice right so I wonder

1933
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:07,020
if these cultures did understand

1934
01:19:11,090 --> 01:19:09,480
something about those changes for

1935
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:11,100
example

1936
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:13,500
in Ireland it was all of the quarter

1937
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,260
days which were dangerous to go out so

1938
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,199
it was Halloween and it was Beltane and

1939
01:19:23,149 --> 01:19:21,360
it was all of the the other two as well

1940
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:23,159
I always forget the actual the Gaelic

1941
01:19:27,050 --> 01:19:25,260
terms for them but yeah there does seem

1942
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,060
to be those periods and whether it is

1943
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:29,280
because of you know if there is some

1944
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,320
astrological significance or whether it

1945
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:33,600
is like Bernadette said that people have

1946
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:35,580
that expectation

1947
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:38,100
or whether it is somehow which I like

1948
01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:39,900
the most because it's charmingly more

1949
01:19:45,470 --> 01:19:42,840
literal if it really is when the fair

1950
01:19:47,630 --> 01:19:45,480
folk are moving between you know between

1951
01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:47,640
their residences they're actually we're

1952
01:19:51,290 --> 01:19:49,320
moving from here to here and you better

1953
01:19:53,570 --> 01:19:51,300
not get in our way but for whatever

1954
01:19:55,370 --> 01:19:53,580
reason those things certainly used to

1955
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,380
ring very true and we've lost a lot of

1956
01:19:59,630 --> 01:19:57,840
that now because again even if you live

1957
01:20:02,450 --> 01:19:59,640
somewhere which gets brutally cold like

1958
01:20:04,910 --> 01:20:02,460
where I live we're still so protected by

1959
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:04,920
you know protected by electricity and by

1960
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:08,940
you know petroleum engines and by by big

1961
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:10,920
big supplies of food and buy a

1962
01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:14,159
convenience store which is only you know

1963
01:20:16,850 --> 01:20:15,480
depending where you live for me it's

1964
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:16,860
like 40 minutes away but most people

1965
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:19,020
it's closer than that still we can go

1966
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:20,640
and get something if we haven't got all

1967
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:23,400
the food in by the end of the harvest

1968
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:24,600
season we're not probably going to

1969
01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:26,640
starve to death in today's world but I

1970
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,199
think we used to be very conscious of

1971
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:30,000
those Seasons the same way that we would

1972
01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:31,860
want to make sure that we were planted

1973
01:20:37,729 --> 01:20:34,260
by a certain time in the spring there

1974
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:37,739
was a real consciousness of how the the

1975
01:20:42,350 --> 01:20:40,380
seasons impacted life and during the

1976
01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:42,360
winter for the most part

1977
01:20:46,010 --> 01:20:44,520
it was a peaceful time if you were if

1978
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:46,020
you were well stocked up you didn't do

1979
01:20:50,330 --> 01:20:47,940
very much in the old land in the winter

1980
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,340
because you don't you you've done all

1981
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,320
your your harvesting you bought

1982
01:20:57,229 --> 01:20:54,239
everything in it was a waiting time it

1983
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:57,239
was a time for stories on long dark

1984
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:00,000
nights around fireplaces so all of this

1985
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:04,199
type of Legend could emerge well today I

1986
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,820
think we're poorer culturally which I

1987
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,199
guess is what I'm pointing at I think

1988
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:09,600
that we've become so disconnected and

1989
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,040
don't get me wrong I'm not saying I want

1990
01:21:16,490 --> 01:21:13,440
to go and live where you know if I don't

1991
01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:16,500
have my potato harvest in by you know by

1992
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:18,540
October I'm going to starve right but

1993
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:20,640
we've we've lost something culturally

1994
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:23,760
we've lost a connection to the way the

1995
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:26,219
world works and our our role in it and

1996
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,380
and I think as a result of that I think

1997
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:30,960
we've lost a lot of the fascinating

1998
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:32,940
mythology that used to be connected with

1999
01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:34,440
it it's why now Halloween's just

2000
01:21:37,850 --> 01:21:35,820
trick-or-treating and watching how

2001
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:37,860
horror movie marathons and getting drunk

2002
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:39,360
at a party if you're in college or

2003
01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:42,179
something while back then it had a real

2004
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,040
significance whether it was the old

2005
01:21:48,290 --> 01:21:46,320
Roman

2006
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:48,300
um Harvest Festival which kind of

2007
01:21:52,430 --> 01:21:50,100
combined with those drudic traditions

2008
01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:52,440
and the idea of Sauron and the idea of

2009
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:54,179
the lord of the dead and the idea that

2010
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:56,280
you know it was the end of the season of

2011
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:57,960
the Sun and now we were going into the

2012
01:22:01,790 --> 01:22:00,000
winter for whatever reason we really

2013
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:01,800
connected seasonally

2014
01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:03,960
it wasn't just a date if the date

2015
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:07,080
actually represented a massive change in

2016
01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:09,780
how our lifestyle would be affected by

2017
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,580
the success of a crop or by the length

2018
01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:13,440
of the winter and today we don't have

2019
01:22:17,870 --> 01:22:16,020
that connection anymore it's gone and as

2020
01:22:23,330 --> 01:22:17,880
a result and mythologically we're poorer

2021
01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:27,110
yeah I agree

2022
01:22:32,930 --> 01:22:29,270
um so back to Vincent's question though

2023
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:32,940
have have you guys seen any ghosting Mr

2024
01:22:38,050 --> 01:22:34,980
Sam

2025
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,050
I think yeah I understand that

2026
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,920
yeah I was just abducted there for a

2027
01:22:49,310 --> 01:22:46,320
second for some strange spooky reason

2028
01:22:53,169 --> 01:22:49,320
the internet just went out so

2029
01:22:55,610 --> 01:22:53,179
um okay it's a spooky day

2030
01:22:57,290 --> 01:22:55,620
it never happens as well so that's kind

2031
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,300
of we shouldn't have been talking about

2032
01:23:03,649 --> 01:22:59,520
the she that's what they used to say you

2033
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:06,169
a very intriguing thing to add before

2034
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:08,640
Sam begins Sam I tell you this this is

2035
01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:11,580
true every time I used to come on and

2036
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:14,040
I've been on Long show maybe three or

2037
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,500
four times and the first couple of times

2038
01:23:20,450 --> 01:23:18,480
I was talking about the Demonic

2039
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:20,460
infestation that was in my family's

2040
01:23:27,709 --> 01:23:25,199
house every time I mentioned that evil

2041
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:27,719
the whatever for some reason the

2042
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:29,820
internet would cut out the picture would

2043
01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:32,280
go or the sound would go and it got to

2044
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:33,719
the point where it was like there's

2045
01:23:39,169 --> 01:23:35,340
something here that's preventing me from

2046
01:23:39,179 --> 01:23:52,689
what's that behind you

2047
01:23:52,699 --> 01:23:57,890
look at Vince

2048
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:59,510
oh

2049
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:01,020
were you going to tell a ghost story

2050
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:03,540
though Sam one of yours oh sure

2051
01:24:10,850 --> 01:24:07,140
um I mean this is this is uh

2052
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:10,860
this is an old one but it's true

2053
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:13,140
um and I think that I have to start by

2054
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:18,000
saying that it's 100 real

2055
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:18,960
um

2056
01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:20,760
and this took place when I was seven

2057
01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:22,140
years old

2058
01:24:26,630 --> 01:24:24,600
in England where I grew up where it's

2059
01:24:29,209 --> 01:24:26,640
born and raised

2060
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:29,219
and me and my mom used to live

2061
01:24:34,729 --> 01:24:31,920
in a town called runghorn

2062
01:24:37,729 --> 01:24:34,739
in Cheshire in the northwest of England

2063
01:24:39,649 --> 01:24:37,739
and we were on the edge of a big Forest

2064
01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:39,659
strangely enough

2065
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:42,120
and uh

2066
01:24:45,530 --> 01:24:43,980
it was wonderful because of a day you

2067
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:45,540
would walk around and you'd go to the

2068
01:24:49,729 --> 01:24:48,179
ponds and look at the you know the the

2069
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:49,739
little swampy areas and there was a

2070
01:24:55,850 --> 01:24:52,739
stagnant Pond there which by the way uh

2071
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,860
after several years of of being told to

2072
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,840
never go near it because it was it was

2073
01:25:00,890 --> 01:24:59,760
almost like quicksand it was covered in

2074
01:25:03,770 --> 01:25:00,900
Duck oil and you couldn't really see

2075
01:25:05,450 --> 01:25:03,780
where the edge was and it was dangerous

2076
01:25:07,790 --> 01:25:05,460
um they drained it one year and they

2077
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,800
found hundreds of skeletons of animals

2078
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,080
pets all kinds of things

2079
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:12,840
so it was literally a rotten bog of

2080
01:25:20,050 --> 01:25:16,090
um

2081
01:25:24,350 --> 01:25:20,060
that's not where the story starts

2082
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:24,360
in my aunt and uncle had visited and I

2083
01:25:30,110 --> 01:25:25,860
hadn't seen them in a while

2084
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:30,120
and my my uncle had had gifted me a book

2085
01:25:34,250 --> 01:25:32,580
on dinosaurs which I was obsessed with

2086
01:25:36,350 --> 01:25:34,260
still love them

2087
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,360
um and so

2088
01:25:39,950 --> 01:25:38,400
it got to around 10 o'clock at night and

2089
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:39,960
again I was seven years old so 10

2090
01:25:44,630 --> 01:25:41,820
o'clock at night was pretty late to be

2091
01:25:46,030 --> 01:25:44,640
staying up for me anyway in my family I

2092
01:25:48,649 --> 01:25:46,040
would normally have been in bed by then

2093
01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:48,659
but I was so happy with this Dinosaur

2094
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,380
book and see my uncle I was wide awake

2095
01:25:57,709 --> 01:25:54,960
nevertheless I was sent to bed at 10

2096
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:57,719
o'clock and it was you know that's it up

2097
01:26:03,169 --> 01:26:01,679
the apples and pears time to go to bed

2098
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:03,179
um so I went to bed

2099
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:06,480
it's a small house so

2100
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,699
um you could hear people downstairs you

2101
01:26:14,330 --> 01:26:10,560
could hear the television

2102
01:26:17,629 --> 01:26:14,340
um it was pretty much uh

2103
01:26:21,950 --> 01:26:17,639
next next to you in a sense

2104
01:26:23,570 --> 01:26:21,960
um and so I had real trouble trying to

2105
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:23,580
go to sleep I wanted to be downstairs

2106
01:26:27,229 --> 01:26:25,800
because I could hear clinking of glasses

2107
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,239
laughter

2108
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:29,520
and the television you know

2109
01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:32,639
um and so I'm sort of sitting up in bed

2110
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:34,380
and I'm turning over and I'm turning

2111
01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:35,880
back

2112
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,659
and it sort of dies down and my aunt and

2113
01:26:44,209 --> 01:26:42,000
uncle had come to say good night and

2114
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,219
they stood in the doorway

2115
01:26:47,209 --> 01:26:46,080
and I was really happy because I wasn't

2116
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:47,219
going to see them they were leaving

2117
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:49,080
early the next day

2118
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:52,440
um so I was I was glad that we're saying

2119
01:26:55,129 --> 01:26:54,000
good night so I sat up and and sort of

2120
01:26:57,709 --> 01:26:55,139
said you know thanks for the Dinosaur

2121
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:57,719
book it was great to see you I hope to

2122
01:27:01,370 --> 01:27:00,060
see you soon you know sleep well I won't

2123
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:01,380
see you in the morning

2124
01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:04,679
by and uh and they didn't answer me and

2125
01:27:08,330 --> 01:27:06,360
I just stood there

2126
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:08,340
and of course I'm a kid and I'm a little

2127
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:10,500
afraid of the dark at that point still

2128
01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:11,820
aiming away

2129
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,420
um

2130
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:14,400
and I have the hall light on the landing

2131
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:15,300
light

2132
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,920
floods my doorway so they're stood there

2133
01:27:22,970 --> 01:27:21,840
in silhouette I can't really make them

2134
01:27:25,010 --> 01:27:22,980
out

2135
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,020
but then I rub my eyes and I look again

2136
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:27,600
to sort of say good night

2137
01:27:31,010 --> 01:27:29,340
and they'd still don't answer me they're

2138
01:27:33,649 --> 01:27:31,020
just standing there

2139
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:33,659
and that's when they they start to walk

2140
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:36,120
into the room but not towards me almost

2141
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:38,100
diagonally away from me and across from

2142
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,679
me passed me in a sense and that's when

2143
01:27:44,090 --> 01:27:42,960
I realized they were a lot shorter than

2144
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,100
they should have been

2145
01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:45,840
and it was a little boy and a little

2146
01:27:52,669 --> 01:27:48,840
girl wearing frilly clothes

2147
01:27:55,129 --> 01:27:52,679
and so immediately I screamed the walls

2148
01:27:57,890 --> 01:27:55,139
down I throw my pillow across the room

2149
01:28:01,370 --> 01:27:57,900
and I don't want to look and I look up

2150
01:28:03,649 --> 01:28:01,380
it's the only place I can go I look up

2151
01:28:05,810 --> 01:28:03,659
don't want to close my eyes because I

2152
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:05,820
still want to know what's going on in

2153
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:08,460
defense I just look away and I look up

2154
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:09,840
and that's where it gets really weird

2155
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:13,080
there's a green Fireball the size of a

2156
01:28:17,570 --> 01:28:14,880
soccer ball or a football

2157
01:28:19,310 --> 01:28:17,580
and it's traveling around the four

2158
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,320
corners of my ceiling

2159
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,360
and this green firewall when I when I

2160
01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:24,000
look up it comes down at me

2161
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:27,900
almost as if to say you know look don't

2162
01:28:32,330 --> 01:28:30,540
look up here look at them and it's as

2163
01:28:34,430 --> 01:28:32,340
though it's forcing me to look because I

2164
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,440
dodged I try and sort of car away from

2165
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:36,000
this green firewall

2166
01:28:40,010 --> 01:28:37,679
and I look again I'm screaming and this

2167
01:28:43,310 --> 01:28:40,020
is all happening in seconds at which

2168
01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:43,320
point my mum runs into the room

2169
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,960
and she grabs my arm pulls me out of the

2170
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:48,000
room shuts the bedroom door and we run

2171
01:28:53,450 --> 01:28:49,920
downstairs

2172
01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:55,310
it's funny because

2173
01:28:59,930 --> 01:28:57,300
she told me at the time I was having a

2174
01:29:04,669 --> 01:28:59,940
bad dream and I knew very well

2175
01:29:07,729 --> 01:29:04,679
I wasn't and she said the next day

2176
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:07,739
um I don't know what happened last night

2177
01:29:10,970 --> 01:29:09,480
uh I just know that there was something

2178
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:10,980
going on in your room I didn't

2179
01:29:15,770 --> 01:29:12,960
understand and I had to get you out of

2180
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:15,780
there but we won't talk about this again

2181
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:23,990
so she saw something too have you talked

2182
01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:27,440
about it since like as an adult

2183
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:30,900
yeah she I brought it up when I when I

2184
01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:32,100
was nine

2185
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:32,760
um

2186
01:29:37,729 --> 01:29:36,239
and I was sort of uh it was nipped in

2187
01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:37,739
the bud very quickly we don't talk about

2188
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:38,940
that

2189
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:42,540
um and then later and she's explained to

2190
01:29:46,250 --> 01:29:44,580
me that she won't talk about it because

2191
01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:46,260
it terrifies her

2192
01:29:51,050 --> 01:29:49,020
and she's almost she kind of does the la

2193
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:51,060
la la thing and she just doesn't want to

2194
01:29:54,050 --> 01:29:52,800
talk about it because she's genuinely

2195
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,060
scared

2196
01:29:57,290 --> 01:29:56,159
that she and she just remains with the

2197
01:29:59,330 --> 01:29:57,300
same line

2198
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:59,340
I knew something was going on in your

2199
01:30:02,330 --> 01:30:00,960
room I didn't understand and I just had

2200
01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:02,340
to get you out of there and that was it

2201
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,260
and we moved house shortly after that's

2202
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:06,239
the other funny thing

2203
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:16,080
yeah we all slept downstairs that night

2204
01:30:22,970 --> 01:30:19,810
[Laughter]

2205
01:30:27,070 --> 01:30:22,980
incidentally the little town in runcorn

2206
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:27,080
the town itself was called Murder Shore

2207
01:30:31,729 --> 01:30:30,540
goodness graciously spelled differently

2208
01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:31,739
but

2209
01:30:37,729 --> 01:30:34,940
um Legend has it no history

2210
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,739
legendary history

2211
01:30:42,169 --> 01:30:39,840
um many hundreds of years ago people

2212
01:30:43,610 --> 01:30:42,179
used to be hung from the trees in the

2213
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:43,620
forest because it was cheaper than

2214
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,600
making The Gallows because there were so

2215
01:30:49,310 --> 01:30:47,280
many people who were being hung they

2216
01:30:51,649 --> 01:30:49,320
said we'll make this the capital so that

2217
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:51,659
no one gets away and that became the

2218
01:30:57,649 --> 01:30:53,880
place to go and Beyond

2219
01:31:00,110 --> 01:30:57,659
and uh or hanged and um

2220
01:31:01,430 --> 01:31:00,120
yeah so there is a history there and it

2221
01:31:02,810 --> 01:31:01,440
was called Murder Shore they laid all

2222
01:31:05,209 --> 01:31:02,820
the bodies out and it looked like a

2223
01:31:10,729 --> 01:31:05,219
shoreline but other than that a pretty

2224
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:15,490
was lovely you know free hedgehogs yeah

2225
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:18,120
oh my God it's not the only time I've

2226
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:21,840
I've heard the uh uh uh description of a

2227
01:31:28,729 --> 01:31:24,840
green like uh soccer ball sized Fireball

2228
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:28,739
well and that's intriguing I've I've

2229
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,080
looked since for stories similar and

2230
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,880
I've yet to sort of I keep toying with

2231
01:31:37,610 --> 01:31:34,800
myself should I create some artwork to

2232
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,620
recreate what I saw you know do a scene

2233
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:39,840
a piece of artwork based on it and I'm

2234
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,300
not sure if I want to but

2235
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,840
um I've looked for a similar story and I

2236
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:47,400
have a huge collection of unexplained

2237
01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:48,960
books and

2238
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:50,460
um over the years I found very few but

2239
01:31:57,229 --> 01:31:54,000
there are one or two cases of green

2240
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,239
glowing children uh not with a fireball

2241
01:32:01,070 --> 01:31:58,800
though and there are other cases of

2242
01:32:04,010 --> 01:32:01,080
green Fireballs but more in line with

2243
01:32:06,290 --> 01:32:04,020
meteors or UFOs that have been seen in

2244
01:32:08,209 --> 01:32:06,300
the sky certainly not flying around

2245
01:32:13,610 --> 01:32:08,219
someone's bedroom

2246
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:13,620
um right and I was absolutely awake yeah

2247
01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:16,500
wow well your mom said she saw something

2248
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:18,540
so well that's the thing and I've you

2249
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:21,540
know I to this day I'm I'm begging her

2250
01:32:25,850 --> 01:32:24,239
what did you see you know and she says

2251
01:32:28,729 --> 01:32:25,860
she just didn't understand it

2252
01:32:30,669 --> 01:32:28,739
in my case it's that adult witness that

2253
01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:30,679
makes that so fascinating because

2254
01:32:36,410 --> 01:32:33,480
children whether we want to

2255
01:32:38,090 --> 01:32:36,420
think they actually can see through the

2256
01:32:40,430 --> 01:32:38,100
veil or whether they just have a more

2257
01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:40,440
vivid imagination often have these type

2258
01:32:44,030 --> 01:32:42,420
of experiences I know last time I was on

2259
01:32:46,189 --> 01:32:44,040
Phantoms and monsters so I won't talk

2260
01:32:48,890 --> 01:32:46,199
about it again tonight I talked about an

2261
01:32:50,990 --> 01:32:48,900
on-going bedroom visitation come dream I

2262
01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:51,000
had as a child and because it was just

2263
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:52,440
me who experienced it I'm always like

2264
01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:54,000
well was it a dream or you know what was

2265
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:56,340
it but the fact that your mother came in

2266
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,400
and was so bothered by what she saw

2267
01:33:02,590 --> 01:33:00,719
indicates that there was more to your

2268
01:33:04,970 --> 01:33:02,600
experience than an overactive

2269
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:04,980
imagination of a child or just a child

2270
01:33:09,950 --> 01:33:06,840
having more connection with the the

2271
01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:09,960
other there was something manifesting in

2272
01:33:13,850 --> 01:33:12,179
your room that went beyond just

2273
01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:13,860
childhood connection

2274
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:16,380
yeah yeah I mean she she went on to say

2275
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:17,460
that

2276
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:19,260
um my description of the children were

2277
01:33:24,590 --> 01:33:21,480
really clothes like knit blockers and

2278
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:24,600
stuff she's she's argued the point that

2279
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,880
um I couldn't have known what they would

2280
01:33:31,129 --> 01:33:28,320
be wearing or how where did that come

2281
01:33:32,930 --> 01:33:31,139
from kind of thing I would say to play

2282
01:33:35,870 --> 01:33:32,940
Devil's Advocate maybe I saw something

2283
01:33:38,990 --> 01:33:35,880
on television you could explain that

2284
01:33:41,810 --> 01:33:39,000
um but at the same time it was just so

2285
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,820
randomly Vivid to me

2286
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,679
um and they didn't say anything they

2287
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:45,360
didn't do anything they didn't attack me

2288
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:48,239
they didn't run at me they simply walked

2289
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:50,639
diagonally across the room in front of

2290
01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:51,900
me

2291
01:33:55,310 --> 01:33:53,880
um and it was horrific because there was

2292
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,320
no reason for it it was almost as though

2293
01:33:59,930 --> 01:33:57,600
it was none of my business

2294
01:34:03,709 --> 01:33:59,940
um and it was just happening it was

2295
01:34:10,970 --> 01:34:07,610
so Sam that sounds like a almost like a

2296
01:34:13,250 --> 01:34:10,980
residual haunting that he wasn't planned

2297
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:13,260
for you to see it but you were sensitive

2298
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:15,840
enough to see it and apparently your

2299
01:34:20,270 --> 01:34:17,760
mother had the same experience which is

2300
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:20,280
why she found it inexplicable

2301
01:34:25,070 --> 01:34:22,980
she was too terrified to repeat you she

2302
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:25,080
didn't want to collaborate with you what

2303
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:26,880
you had experienced

2304
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:29,219
and I'm just thinking this that maybe it

2305
01:34:33,229 --> 01:34:30,960
you know as a mother I wouldn't want to

2306
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:33,239
say to my son I saw it too and this is

2307
01:34:39,709 --> 01:34:36,300
how it looked because it might even lead

2308
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:39,719
you to have more nightmares exactly yeah

2309
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:42,000
yeah initially it was you know oh you

2310
01:34:46,189 --> 01:34:43,920
just had a bad dream but then afterwards

2311
01:34:49,310 --> 01:34:46,199
it was um we're not going to talk about

2312
01:34:50,810 --> 01:34:49,320
this so I knew she had seen something

2313
01:34:53,629 --> 01:34:50,820
you know

2314
01:34:55,850 --> 01:34:53,639
um and she admitted she has but won't

2315
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,860
talk about it so yeah very very weird

2316
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:58,080
stuff but it was a weird place as well

2317
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:00,239
um it was strange things would always

2318
01:35:05,570 --> 01:35:02,159
happen in that house

2319
01:35:07,129 --> 01:35:05,580
um we you know everything from just

2320
01:35:09,530 --> 01:35:07,139
random things that you could explain

2321
01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,540
away like a pipe bursting under the sink

2322
01:35:14,030 --> 01:35:11,940
with an incredible noise flooding the

2323
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:14,040
entire room of Kit the kitchen with

2324
01:35:17,689 --> 01:35:15,780
water instantly that kind of thing those

2325
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,699
can be explained

2326
01:35:22,490 --> 01:35:19,920
um as terrifying as that was it was like

2327
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,500
a scene from Poltergeist you know but um

2328
01:35:26,689 --> 01:35:24,480
and my mum scooped me up and ran outside

2329
01:35:28,669 --> 01:35:26,699
and you know it was just terrifying that

2330
01:35:30,350 --> 01:35:28,679
kind of stuff happened a lot

2331
01:35:31,970 --> 01:35:30,360
um but there was one other instance just

2332
01:35:35,209 --> 01:35:31,980
real quick where

2333
01:35:36,830 --> 01:35:35,219
and this happened in the daytime I have

2334
01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:36,840
a book I still have this book to this

2335
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:38,340
day I recently found it in my parents

2336
01:35:43,490 --> 01:35:40,380
attic and it's a book on Hands Christian

2337
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:43,500
Anderson's fairy tales funnily enough

2338
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:44,880
and

2339
01:35:50,750 --> 01:35:47,280
as a child at the same age around six or

2340
01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:50,760
seven years old I I had a big old wooden

2341
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:52,440
chest of drawers in the bedroom

2342
01:35:57,290 --> 01:35:54,600
and there was a gap under it maybe four

2343
01:36:00,169 --> 01:35:57,300
inches high and I always used to get a

2344
01:36:01,430 --> 01:36:00,179
horrible feeling about this cabinet and

2345
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:01,440
underneath it

2346
01:36:06,169 --> 01:36:03,840
and I I didn't even want to go near it

2347
01:36:10,189 --> 01:36:06,179
at times it felt foreboding and I didn't

2348
01:36:11,629 --> 01:36:10,199
like this Chester drawers and one day

2349
01:36:12,770 --> 01:36:11,639
I'm stood sort of you know a few feet

2350
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:12,780
from it

2351
01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:14,760
and I'm reading this Hans Christian

2352
01:36:18,290 --> 01:36:16,380
Anderson book that I've just got and it

2353
01:36:21,649 --> 01:36:18,300
was Illustrated so there's lovely images

2354
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:21,659
inside of the Snow Queen and you know

2355
01:36:25,490 --> 01:36:24,300
Mother Goose all that kind of stuff and

2356
01:36:27,709 --> 01:36:25,500
um

2357
01:36:30,410 --> 01:36:27,719
I I'm flicking through the images and

2358
01:36:31,970 --> 01:36:30,420
I'm reading some of the sort of intros

2359
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:31,980
to some of the stories

2360
01:36:35,870 --> 01:36:33,600
and I go to the front of the book and

2361
01:36:37,490 --> 01:36:35,880
there's an overall portrait in color a

2362
01:36:40,010 --> 01:36:37,500
painting of Hans Christian and Anderson

2363
01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:40,020
and he sat under a tree

2364
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,179
with a pen and a book and he's

2365
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:44,639
surrounded by fairies and toadstools and

2366
01:36:49,010 --> 01:36:45,360
things

2367
01:36:51,290 --> 01:36:49,020
and he's gently looking towards you in a

2368
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:51,300
sense and he's smiling almost like a

2369
01:36:57,110 --> 01:36:53,760
Mona Lisa Smile not a grin he's just

2370
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:57,120
comfortably smoking in a way

2371
01:37:01,129 --> 01:36:59,639
and I look at it and I said to the book

2372
01:37:04,129 --> 01:37:01,139
I said to him

2373
01:37:08,090 --> 01:37:04,139
oh you're quite clever aren't you

2374
01:37:12,169 --> 01:37:08,100
and he nodded in the book

2375
01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:12,179
he nodded and I ordered this book across

2376
01:37:20,209 --> 01:37:15,960
the floor and it slid under that cabinet

2377
01:37:22,850 --> 01:37:20,219
and I did not retrieve it for years

2378
01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:22,860
how old were you when he nodded I was

2379
01:37:26,450 --> 01:37:24,300
six or seven

2380
01:37:27,890 --> 01:37:26,460
do you think that had an impact on you

2381
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:27,900
wanting to become an artist to the

2382
01:37:34,129 --> 01:37:30,960
macabre possibly yeah

2383
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:34,139
um I've never seen a picture but

2384
01:37:38,990 --> 01:37:36,000
um yeah absolutely nodded and it was a

2385
01:37:40,430 --> 01:37:39,000
gentle sort of you know yes I am kind of

2386
01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:40,440
thing

2387
01:37:57,709 --> 01:37:45,410
yeah

2388
01:37:59,930 --> 01:37:57,719
years old I think eight years old

2389
01:38:01,490 --> 01:37:59,940
um my grandfather who I was very close

2390
01:38:04,250 --> 01:38:01,500
with

2391
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,260
um at my birthday party

2392
01:38:09,530 --> 01:38:06,480
announced everyone that he he was sick

2393
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:09,540
and he was going to pass away soon and

2394
01:38:14,090 --> 01:38:11,880
he kept us a secret for you know all the

2395
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:14,100
way up until the end he died very

2396
01:38:17,209 --> 01:38:15,960
shortly after I want to say like a month

2397
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:17,219
or so

2398
01:38:21,410 --> 01:38:19,440
now we couldn't make it to the hospital

2399
01:38:23,390 --> 01:38:21,420
when he passed

2400
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,400
but that night

2401
01:38:28,010 --> 01:38:26,639
I was woken up and so were my parents in

2402
01:38:30,050 --> 01:38:28,020
a different room

2403
01:38:33,649 --> 01:38:30,060
we could hear my grandfather downstairs

2404
01:38:36,350 --> 01:38:33,659
on the uh rocking chair saying my father

2405
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:36,360
and I have the same name Saint Vincent

2406
01:38:41,629 --> 01:38:38,340
Saint Vince

2407
01:38:43,490 --> 01:38:41,639
and we we all three heard him and all

2408
01:38:45,530 --> 01:38:43,500
three of us were too scared to go

2409
01:38:49,310 --> 01:38:45,540
downstairs

2410
01:38:53,149 --> 01:38:49,320
but yeah we all heard it

2411
01:38:55,550 --> 01:38:53,159
is Grandpa coming to say bye wow and

2412
01:39:00,350 --> 01:38:55,560
that was one of the first

2413
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:00,360
real solid paranormal ghost thing that

2414
01:39:11,870 --> 01:39:09,290
what about you Dean

2415
01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:11,880
I don't have anything quite as dramatic

2416
01:39:16,850 --> 01:39:15,239
as Sam's story or quite as visual

2417
01:39:19,010 --> 01:39:16,860
perhaps I should say either of those

2418
01:39:20,689 --> 01:39:19,020
although I did tell you like I said last

2419
01:39:22,430 --> 01:39:20,699
time I was seeing my little man story I

2420
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:22,440
certainly had other bedroom visitations

2421
01:39:27,169 --> 01:39:25,620
when I was younger and I I tend to think

2422
01:39:29,090 --> 01:39:27,179
of those even though they fit a cult

2423
01:39:32,330 --> 01:39:29,100
patterns as probably being sleep

2424
01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:32,340
paralysis like a big black dog used to

2425
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:34,440
walk into my room at night with the

2426
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:36,480
lights were out and sit there and stare

2427
01:39:40,910 --> 01:39:38,159
at me and I was frozen

2428
01:39:43,129 --> 01:39:40,920
and I couldn't move but that's easy my

2429
01:39:45,169 --> 01:39:43,139
God that's terrifying it is terrifying

2430
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:45,179
and the memory still makes me here on

2431
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,179
the back of my neck stand up but it

2432
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,400
still fits the sleep paralysis pattern

2433
01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:52,800
you know there were other paranormal

2434
01:39:58,970 --> 01:39:56,760
experiences in my childhood home and

2435
01:40:00,890 --> 01:39:58,980
I never saw anything other than those

2436
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:00,900
things when I was in bed so again I said

2437
01:40:04,970 --> 01:40:02,880
sleep paralysis or something else but I

2438
01:40:07,790 --> 01:40:04,980
do remember clearly being home one day

2439
01:40:09,709 --> 01:40:07,800
from school both my brother and I were

2440
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:09,719
sick and

2441
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,239
my parents were both in fact it might

2442
01:40:15,709 --> 01:40:14,159
have been it might have been post my

2443
01:40:16,850 --> 01:40:15,719
parents divorce so maybe my mother was

2444
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:16,860
just working when we were home alone

2445
01:40:21,550 --> 01:40:18,300
anyway was that I would have been around

2446
01:40:23,810 --> 01:40:21,560
11ish I think and I remember us hearing

2447
01:40:25,850 --> 01:40:23,820
very clearly because the house wasn't

2448
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:25,860
massive it was just a ranch type design

2449
01:40:30,830 --> 01:40:29,280
house I remember very clearly me and my

2450
01:40:32,930 --> 01:40:30,840
brother being terrified because there

2451
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,940
was something walking around our house

2452
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:34,320
like there was no doubt there was

2453
01:40:37,129 --> 01:40:35,760
something walking around our house and

2454
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,139
the doors were locked there was nothing

2455
01:40:40,669 --> 01:40:38,639
coming in

2456
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,679
there were other experiences like that

2457
01:40:44,209 --> 01:40:42,480
when I was little and we used to also

2458
01:40:46,430 --> 01:40:44,219
foolishly perhaps fool around with

2459
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:46,440
things like Ouija boards and other you

2460
01:40:51,950 --> 01:40:49,199
know paranormal things in our pre-teens

2461
01:40:53,810 --> 01:40:51,960
to early teen years but the most

2462
01:40:57,649 --> 01:40:53,820
fascinating and this is just weird and I

2463
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:57,659
often wonder how much of it it explains

2464
01:41:01,669 --> 01:41:00,239
is when I was a little boy I remember

2465
01:41:03,050 --> 01:41:01,679
very clearly and it's something my

2466
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,060
mother has confirmed so it wasn't me

2467
01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:05,040
imagining it we had a handyman that was

2468
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:06,600
when my father and mother were still

2469
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,600
married and my father was often away on

2470
01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:11,280
business internationally it's what he

2471
01:41:15,290 --> 01:41:13,139
did he also was I think he was still in

2472
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:15,300
the Navy Reserve so he I believe he was

2473
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,800
like a lieutenant commander in the

2474
01:41:20,330 --> 01:41:18,480
reserve so he was often away doing Navy

2475
01:41:22,669 --> 01:41:20,340
stuff his way well he was away a lot

2476
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,679
anyway so we had a handyman to do a lot

2477
01:41:26,030 --> 01:41:24,719
of those things that you know a father

2478
01:41:27,890 --> 01:41:26,040
would normally do it wasn't that my

2479
01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:27,900
father wasn't handy in fact he was an

2480
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:30,120
aircraft engineer he was very handy but

2481
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:31,679
he often wasn't there and I remember the

2482
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:34,440
handyman was supposedly a psychic and I

2483
01:41:37,490 --> 01:41:36,000
remember him he shouldn't have probably

2484
01:41:38,689 --> 01:41:37,500
said it in the earshot of me because you

2485
01:41:40,970 --> 01:41:38,699
don't want to hear this when you're a

2486
01:41:42,350 --> 01:41:40,980
little boy so he was allegedly a psychic

2487
01:41:43,970 --> 01:41:42,360
and I remember him explaining to my

2488
01:41:45,890 --> 01:41:43,980
mother that there was a body buried

2489
01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:45,900
under our house he was sure of it the

2490
01:41:50,750 --> 01:41:48,360
the thing was still here

2491
01:41:53,870 --> 01:41:50,760
so I think that probably was formative

2492
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,880
when I was small for a lot of my

2493
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:56,639
probably fear of the Paranormal and on a

2494
01:42:01,310 --> 01:41:59,040
perhaps a totally unrelated sense

2495
01:42:02,810 --> 01:42:01,320
because it could have been um it could

2496
01:42:04,010 --> 01:42:02,820
have just been a figment of my

2497
01:42:06,050 --> 01:42:04,020
imagination but it's like my mother

2498
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:06,060
remembers too there are a couple of

2499
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,040
tiles in our bathroom which had

2500
01:42:13,609 --> 01:42:10,800
increasingly

2501
01:42:17,149 --> 01:42:13,619
human looking faces develop on those

2502
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,159
tiles now was that paradolia perhaps you

2503
01:42:21,410 --> 01:42:19,199
know or was it there's something buried

2504
01:42:24,530 --> 01:42:21,420
under the house that the psychic

2505
01:42:26,450 --> 01:42:24,540
handyman had been so convinced was down

2506
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,460
below I don't know

2507
01:42:30,830 --> 01:42:28,560
but that's probably as closest to any

2508
01:42:32,030 --> 01:42:30,840
type of ghost story that I have to share

2509
01:42:35,090 --> 01:42:32,040
with you guys

2510
01:42:37,310 --> 01:42:35,100
yeah thank you that's pretty creepy um

2511
01:42:39,950 --> 01:42:37,320
speaking of faces appearing

2512
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:39,960
um just a real quick one my grandmother

2513
01:42:44,090 --> 01:42:42,560
passed away a couple of years ago

2514
01:42:44,810 --> 01:42:44,100
and

2515
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,820
um

2516
01:42:49,729 --> 01:42:47,040
hours later I was in the kitchen with

2517
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:49,739
them with my mum you know and we had

2518
01:42:55,310 --> 01:42:53,400
spilled uh a little coffee on the side

2519
01:42:56,810 --> 01:42:55,320
and we sort of we were just talking and

2520
01:42:58,250 --> 01:42:56,820
I turned around and we looked at this

2521
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:58,260
little puddle of coffee and I've got a

2522
01:43:03,290 --> 01:43:00,119
photograph of it

2523
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,300
um and it was literally a portrait of my

2524
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:05,040
grandmother it looked like her face

2525
01:43:10,030 --> 01:43:08,159
smiling and we both burst into tears and

2526
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:10,040
it was as though she was saying I'm okay

2527
01:43:16,490 --> 01:43:13,440
I made it you know that's that's

2528
01:43:18,290 --> 01:43:16,500
beautiful that's wonderful wow

2529
01:43:20,090 --> 01:43:18,300
very strong

2530
01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:20,100
that's not something we would look for

2531
01:43:25,609 --> 01:43:23,340
or particularly in that kind of thing

2532
01:43:27,050 --> 01:43:25,619
but it was I mean it was uncanny and we

2533
01:43:28,609 --> 01:43:27,060
me and my mom looked at each other and

2534
01:43:31,729 --> 01:43:28,619
we were like wow

2535
01:43:31,739 --> 01:43:37,129
that's just great I love that

2536
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:40,790
so I have one I've a lot but I have one

2537
01:43:46,189 --> 01:43:44,280
so my mom's stepsister died they were

2538
01:43:49,850 --> 01:43:46,199
they were very close

2539
01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:49,860
and she died on my mom's birthday

2540
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:52,260
and we went to the funeral it was like

2541
01:43:55,310 --> 01:43:53,940
the first time I'd ever been to a

2542
01:43:56,090 --> 01:43:55,320
funeral and everything I was still

2543
01:43:59,689 --> 01:43:56,100
little

2544
01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:59,699
and afterwards you know we we stayed

2545
01:44:04,129 --> 01:44:01,560
because we knew the the funeral home and

2546
01:44:06,590 --> 01:44:04,139
everything and next day apparently like

2547
01:44:09,770 --> 01:44:06,600
my uncle wanted to

2548
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,780
the building that my mom's sister had

2549
01:44:14,330 --> 01:44:12,000
lived in was a it was a family building

2550
01:44:16,910 --> 01:44:14,340
like my mom had lived in there my

2551
01:44:19,550 --> 01:44:16,920
grandfather was there my grandmother it

2552
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:19,560
it was someplace they knew so I had

2553
01:44:24,350 --> 01:44:20,820
never been there

2554
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:24,360
so we went in and my mom looked at me

2555
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:25,679
she turned on she's like don't you touch

2556
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,960
anything don't touch anything don't

2557
01:44:32,090 --> 01:44:30,480
climb on anything you know just just

2558
01:44:35,689 --> 01:44:32,100
stay right here

2559
01:44:38,090 --> 01:44:35,699
I don't listen very well so so her and

2560
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,100
and my uncle they went off towards the

2561
01:44:42,590 --> 01:44:40,800
kitchen and they were talking and I went

2562
01:44:44,990 --> 01:44:42,600
off towards this room like there was

2563
01:44:47,330 --> 01:44:45,000
like a little bedroom and there was a

2564
01:44:49,550 --> 01:44:47,340
fireplace and a step stool and the bed

2565
01:44:51,290 --> 01:44:49,560
and everything and there was knickknacks

2566
01:44:53,629 --> 01:44:51,300
up on the fireplace

2567
01:44:54,890 --> 01:44:53,639
I'm like I'm gonna just climb up and

2568
01:44:56,750 --> 01:44:54,900
touch everything and play with

2569
01:44:58,729 --> 01:44:56,760
everything so I'm like playing with

2570
01:45:00,770 --> 01:44:58,739
everything and you know how you get the

2571
01:45:03,169 --> 01:45:00,780
sense when someone's watching you

2572
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,179
I I looked and there was nobody and I

2573
01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:05,040
can't I kept playing I kept getting that

2574
01:45:07,550 --> 01:45:06,420
I looked right up and there was this

2575
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:07,560
woman

2576
01:45:12,050 --> 01:45:10,320
she was like staring at me I'm thinking

2577
01:45:13,550 --> 01:45:12,060
I'm in trouble like I'm not supposed to

2578
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,560
be touched I don't know who she is but

2579
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:15,360
I'm I'm gonna get you know in a lot of

2580
01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:17,280
trouble she had her hair pulled back in

2581
01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:20,040
a tight bun she had glasses and she just

2582
01:45:24,530 --> 01:45:22,500
she kind of smiled at me and I'm like

2583
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,540
you know and then I I turned around she

2584
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:27,119
wasn't there turned back she is still

2585
01:45:32,930 --> 01:45:30,480
there looking at me I screamed so loud

2586
01:45:35,209 --> 01:45:32,940
and I I dropped the stuff I ran out the

2587
01:45:38,030 --> 01:45:35,219
door I got into the car locked the door

2588
01:45:39,770 --> 01:45:38,040
locked my mom out of the car and I'm

2589
01:45:41,629 --> 01:45:39,780
like curled in the back seat like I am

2590
01:45:43,729 --> 01:45:41,639
freaking out so bad

2591
01:45:45,470 --> 01:45:43,739
so like they're they're trying to get

2592
01:45:47,629 --> 01:45:45,480
the car door open you know they're

2593
01:45:49,390 --> 01:45:47,639
trying to get me to open the car door I

2594
01:45:52,729 --> 01:45:49,400
won't open the car door

2595
01:45:55,609 --> 01:45:52,739
behind them are two guys

2596
01:45:58,010 --> 01:45:55,619
two movers moving stuff out

2597
01:45:59,870 --> 01:45:58,020
and I remember he was the one was heavy

2598
01:46:02,990 --> 01:45:59,880
set and he had white overhauls and the

2599
01:46:04,669 --> 01:46:03,000
other guy was not heavy set but kind of

2600
01:46:06,890 --> 01:46:04,679
stocky kind of in the middle

2601
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:06,900
and he said something to the guy who was

2602
01:46:11,390 --> 01:46:09,300
heavy set and the guy who was heavy set

2603
01:46:15,530 --> 01:46:11,400
looked at him and said don't you dare

2604
01:46:20,689 --> 01:46:17,930
and I just I looked at him he looked at

2605
01:46:24,109 --> 01:46:20,699
me and he just smiled and that was it

2606
01:46:26,570 --> 01:46:24,119
when I told my mom that later she said

2607
01:46:28,729 --> 01:46:26,580
there was nobody moving anything it was

2608
01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:28,739
just the three of us there

2609
01:46:32,810 --> 01:46:31,260
and I said no but but they were loading

2610
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:32,820
stuff into a pickup truck the pickup

2611
01:46:37,550 --> 01:46:35,040
truck was behind your car

2612
01:46:39,890 --> 01:46:37,560
she's like there was no pickup truck

2613
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:39,900
and I come to find out that the woman in

2614
01:46:51,050 --> 01:46:49,010
wow wow yeah because we were looking at

2615
01:46:52,729 --> 01:46:51,060
like old photos and I stuffed I'm like

2616
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:52,739
that was her that was who was in the

2617
01:46:56,450 --> 01:46:54,000
mirror

2618
01:46:58,370 --> 01:46:56,460
and my grandmother she she freaked out

2619
01:47:00,050 --> 01:46:58,380
but my mom was like that's that's your

2620
01:47:02,930 --> 01:47:00,060
great grandmother

2621
01:47:02,940 --> 01:47:06,709
yeah gosh

2622
01:47:11,950 --> 01:47:09,669
I have a real quick story here

2623
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:11,960
go ahead

2624
01:47:19,129 --> 01:47:15,119
no it's it's also about faces it's

2625
01:47:20,810 --> 01:47:19,139
someone looking in and it's very weird I

2626
01:47:22,669 --> 01:47:20,820
have these cousins who live out in the

2627
01:47:25,490 --> 01:47:22,679
country and this is out in the

2628
01:47:26,990 --> 01:47:25,500
Philippines I see them maybe about six

2629
01:47:32,930 --> 01:47:27,000
or seven years

2630
01:47:36,770 --> 01:47:32,940
apart because they're 22 miles 22 uh

2631
01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:36,780
hours away by playing so that's like 10

2632
01:47:42,050 --> 01:47:39,000
000 miles away

2633
01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:42,060
um they live in the same house where

2634
01:47:47,649 --> 01:47:44,820
they were raised uh eventually a few of

2635
01:47:51,649 --> 01:47:47,659
them had moved out but they talk about

2636
01:47:55,609 --> 01:47:51,659
this particular armoire it's kind of

2637
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:55,619
like a a very old antique probably more

2638
01:48:02,169 --> 01:47:59,040
than 100 years old uh that has a door

2639
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:02,179
that has Mirrors On It

2640
01:48:08,990 --> 01:48:06,719
and it is situated for some reason in a

2641
01:48:11,870 --> 01:48:09,000
spare bedroom that's in the very center

2642
01:48:14,209 --> 01:48:11,880
of the house so if you picture a house

2643
01:48:16,609 --> 01:48:14,219
that has four bedrooms the fifth bedroom

2644
01:48:19,010 --> 01:48:16,619
somehow is right in the middle of the

2645
01:48:20,930 --> 01:48:19,020
house and inside when you open it it's

2646
01:48:24,649 --> 01:48:20,940
got an armoire

2647
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:24,659
uh before my grandmother passed away she

2648
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,159
was very sick

2649
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:29,040
and they put her in that bedroom next to

2650
01:48:33,169 --> 01:48:30,480
that armoire

2651
01:48:35,209 --> 01:48:33,179
and she loved the armoire she had all

2652
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,219
her clothing in there and she always

2653
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:36,960
said you know these are one of the

2654
01:48:42,169 --> 01:48:39,360
treasures one of the heirlooms in the

2655
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:42,179
family and um you know when I passed

2656
01:48:48,770 --> 01:48:44,880
someone has to inherit it never sell the

2657
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:48,780
house and have them take the armoire

2658
01:48:55,729 --> 01:48:52,320
so about a year later she did pass away

2659
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:55,739
and and speaking of you know the image

2660
01:49:01,370 --> 01:48:59,340
of someone now even today when they

2661
01:49:04,669 --> 01:49:01,380
opened the door to that bedroom and it's

2662
01:49:07,550 --> 01:49:04,679
now basically a storage area they keep

2663
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,560
everything kind of like away from that

2664
01:49:12,109 --> 01:49:10,080
particular mirror and when you look

2665
01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:12,119
through the mirror

2666
01:49:16,729 --> 01:49:15,179
um you could see someone's face on it I

2667
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:16,739
don't know that it's my grandmother's

2668
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:18,719
face but there's definitely someone's

2669
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:20,159
face

2670
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:23,040
um my cousin took a picture of it and

2671
01:49:28,970 --> 01:49:26,159
it's in the center fold of my first book

2672
01:49:31,790 --> 01:49:28,980
and when people look at it even people

2673
01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:31,800
who just buy the book they look at it

2674
01:49:37,850 --> 01:49:34,440
and they see the face immediately on the

2675
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:37,860
lower left hand side I am the only one

2676
01:49:48,129 --> 01:49:42,480
who cannot see that face in that mirror

2677
01:49:48,139 --> 01:49:52,629
jeez go figure

2678
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:56,930
whoa wow that is creepy

2679
01:50:04,430 --> 01:50:01,440
yeah that is yeah that's really creepy

2680
01:50:07,790 --> 01:50:04,440
it is an hour and 15 minutes into our

2681
01:50:09,470 --> 01:50:07,800
amazing Halloween special so I guess I

2682
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:09,480
should ask each one of you guys uh what

2683
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:12,480
you've got going on and uh where people

2684
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,280
can find you and and whatnot so uh why

2685
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:19,199
don't you go ahead and tell us Anna uh

2686
01:50:23,930 --> 01:50:21,600
what you got going on and and how people

2687
01:50:25,129 --> 01:50:23,940
can find you and find your amazing books

2688
01:50:26,270 --> 01:50:25,139
well

2689
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,280
sure

2690
01:50:29,810 --> 01:50:28,800
um I'm on Facebook Instagram and Tick

2691
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:29,820
Tock

2692
01:50:35,330 --> 01:50:32,639
um probably the fastest way to find me

2693
01:50:37,850 --> 01:50:35,340
is to type haunted heirlooms because the

2694
01:50:40,430 --> 01:50:37,860
latest book I have is about haunted

2695
01:50:42,890 --> 01:50:40,440
antiques which I just mentioned one of

2696
01:50:45,410 --> 01:50:42,900
the stories

2697
01:50:48,410 --> 01:50:45,420
um I also have another book coming out

2698
01:50:51,530 --> 01:50:48,420
actually next month in November which is

2699
01:50:53,930 --> 01:50:51,540
called Unholy structure so best way to

2700
01:50:58,250 --> 01:50:53,940
find me is on Facebook I also have a

2701
01:51:03,470 --> 01:50:59,930
um and um

2702
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:03,480
watch out for the latest release it's

2703
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:13,790
how about you sir Mr Sam

2704
01:51:18,770 --> 01:51:16,790
well uh this has been fun uh we'll have

2705
01:51:20,689 --> 01:51:18,780
to do it again for sure absolutely

2706
01:51:23,090 --> 01:51:20,699
absolutely you guys were great tonight

2707
01:51:26,330 --> 01:51:23,100
by the way thank you so much for doing

2708
01:51:29,209 --> 01:51:26,340
this I had a blast

2709
01:51:33,290 --> 01:51:29,219
yeah it went by so fast didn't it I mean

2710
01:51:37,129 --> 01:51:35,390
I had a bunch of other stuff just in

2711
01:51:42,530 --> 01:51:37,139
case we had to fill some time but I

2712
01:51:46,850 --> 01:51:44,209
yeah

2713
01:51:48,609 --> 01:51:46,860
two

2714
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:48,619
um yeah

2715
01:51:54,050 --> 01:51:51,480
bizarre well you can uh you can find me

2716
01:51:57,410 --> 01:51:54,060
on uh all of my social media I'm not on

2717
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:57,420
Tick Tock though I I I just I haven't

2718
01:52:02,090 --> 01:51:59,400
gotten around to it I guess

2719
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:02,100
um maybe we should maybe I shouldn't

2720
01:52:06,109 --> 01:52:02,760
um

2721
01:52:07,850 --> 01:52:06,119
but I am on Instagram Facebook Twitter

2722
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:07,860
um patreon YouTube

2723
01:52:12,530 --> 01:52:11,040
all of that jazz even Tumblr I think

2724
01:52:15,310 --> 01:52:12,540
um but you can find all of those links

2725
01:52:18,169 --> 01:52:15,320
on one website which is

2726
01:52:21,709 --> 01:52:18,179
mrsamsherron.com and that's the the word

2727
01:52:24,410 --> 01:52:21,719
Mr m-i-s-t-e-r Sam like Uncle Sam and

2728
01:52:27,709 --> 01:52:24,420
then Sharon like Ed Sheeran but spelled

2729
01:52:31,310 --> 01:52:27,719
correctly uh s-a-e-a-r-o-n

2730
01:52:33,530 --> 01:52:31,320
.com and so yeah you can look out for my

2731
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,540
new creepy Christmas cards the third

2732
01:52:37,970 --> 01:52:35,520
season is coming out uh in a couple of

2733
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:37,980
weeks so that's a whole new barrage of

2734
01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:40,560
Christmas yeah we should get you back on

2735
01:52:48,609 --> 01:52:42,300
for Christmas we'll we'll have you on

2736
01:52:48,619 --> 01:52:52,790
thank you

2737
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,570
and Mr Dean Bertram

2738
01:53:01,550 --> 01:52:59,040
yeah I I do a a couple of different

2739
01:53:03,649 --> 01:53:01,560
things just quickly if there are any

2740
01:53:05,930 --> 01:53:03,659
filmmakers out there or people who make

2741
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:05,940
paranormal type documentaries or the

2742
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:07,679
like I run a film festival called

2743
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:09,900
Midwest a weird Fest you know queer

2744
01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:12,780
Wisconsin it's a blast and it's an awful

2745
01:53:14,930 --> 01:53:13,980
lot of fun

2746
01:53:16,970 --> 01:53:14,940
um

2747
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:16,980
our regular deadline is on Monday

2748
01:53:21,229 --> 01:53:18,719
although there is a later deadline in

2749
01:53:23,590 --> 01:53:21,239
December so think about entering any

2750
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:23,600
content you've made and that's Midwest

2751
01:53:28,189 --> 01:53:25,760
weirdfest.com

2752
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:28,199
midwestwedfest.com so that's pretty easy

2753
01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:30,480
to remember also if you live in the

2754
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,940
Wisconsin area or all the Eau Claire

2755
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:34,800
area think about think about coming to

2756
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:36,000
the Fest it's always a blast there's

2757
01:53:39,950 --> 01:53:37,980
lots of guests it's every it's the first

2758
01:53:43,129 --> 01:53:39,960
weekend in March but what I do most of

2759
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,139
the Year among other things is two live

2760
01:53:47,870 --> 01:53:45,360
streams and podcasts which are now on

2761
01:53:50,050 --> 01:53:47,880
the untold radio network and they're

2762
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:50,060
both at Untold radio

2763
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:53,460
am.com the brain Shield of Doug hi check

2764
01:53:57,229 --> 01:53:55,500
who most of us know is the creator of

2765
01:53:59,149 --> 01:53:57,239
MonsterQuest I have one show on there

2766
01:54:01,250 --> 01:53:59,159
which is a guest orientated show which

2767
01:54:02,930 --> 01:54:01,260
actually both you Vincent and you Sam

2768
01:54:04,250 --> 01:54:02,940
have both been on in the past but now

2769
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:04,260
it's on

2770
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:05,760
um Untold radio network and that's

2771
01:54:10,910 --> 01:54:08,159
called talking weird and I do that with

2772
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,920
my partner in weird and girlfriend Jen

2773
01:54:15,470 --> 01:54:12,960
Darrell every Saturday night at 10 p.m

2774
01:54:17,810 --> 01:54:15,480
Central and I have a newer show on there

2775
01:54:20,810 --> 01:54:17,820
as well called mysterious Library which

2776
01:54:22,850 --> 01:54:20,820
is every 9 p.m Central with the always

2777
01:54:24,109 --> 01:54:22,860
yeah well thank you you're always you

2778
01:54:27,530 --> 01:54:24,119
always watch which I really appreciate

2779
01:54:29,209 --> 01:54:27,540
Vince with Jason McLean and as the title

2780
01:54:31,310 --> 01:54:29,219
perhaps suggests we talk about all

2781
01:54:33,229 --> 01:54:31,320
manner of weird books each week we pick

2782
01:54:35,330 --> 01:54:33,239
one weird book and it's you know

2783
01:54:38,030 --> 01:54:35,340
everything from Bigfoot to UFOs to

2784
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:38,040
Paranormal documentaries we do do we do

2785
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:39,780
do other things in the library articles

2786
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,340
and documentaries as well but that's

2787
01:54:44,450 --> 01:54:42,960
yeah that's a blaster check those shows

2788
01:54:49,550 --> 01:54:44,460
out along with a bunch of other shows on

2789
01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:49,560
that Network at Untold radio am.com

2790
01:54:54,649 --> 01:54:52,020
wonderful wonderful well thanks again

2791
01:54:57,970 --> 01:54:54,659
for all you guys coming out and uh we'll

2792
01:55:00,410 --> 01:54:57,980
have you guys back on each one of you

2793
01:55:02,570 --> 01:55:00,420
so I'll be getting a hold of you very

2794
01:55:05,570 --> 01:55:02,580
soon and I just wanted to tell everybody

2795
01:55:07,310 --> 01:55:05,580
tonight that uh Lon had a little bit of

2796
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:07,320
a surgery that he went through it was

2797
01:55:12,410 --> 01:55:10,080
planned it was okay he threw it he's on

2798
01:55:16,970 --> 01:55:12,420
the mend and it's his birthday today so

2799
01:55:23,810 --> 01:55:19,970
happy birthday long

2800
01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:23,820
all right guys well I am going to uh say

2801
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,820
good night to you all and um me and

2802
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:28,320
Bernadette are going to talk to the

2803
01:55:33,590 --> 01:55:30,719
audience for a moment and then uh close

2804
01:55:35,290 --> 01:55:33,600
up the shop well thank you again thank

2805
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:35,300
you guys

2806
01:55:41,410 --> 01:55:37,920
have a good night happy Halloween

2807
01:55:46,209 --> 01:55:41,420
everybody happy Halloween

2808
01:55:55,629 --> 01:55:50,090
all right well I'll talk soon thank you

2809
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:58,970
alrighty Bernadette it's you and I now

2810
01:56:03,290 --> 01:56:01,920
Bernadette will be uh premiering a new

2811
01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:03,300
show soon Bernadette you want to give

2812
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:04,800
him a little time and a little taste of

2813
01:56:12,410 --> 01:56:08,400
what you got coming up sure so next

2814
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:12,420
Friday I believe November 2nd

2815
01:56:16,609 --> 01:56:15,360
November 7th yeah I want to say that's

2816
01:56:18,649 --> 01:56:16,619
next

2817
01:56:21,790 --> 01:56:18,659
yes wait

2818
01:56:24,530 --> 01:56:21,800
no I'm sorry November 4th

2819
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:24,540
November 4th is next Friday

2820
01:56:29,470 --> 01:56:26,880
Excuse me yes so my first show will

2821
01:56:32,990 --> 01:56:29,480
Premiere November 4th right after Lawns

2822
01:56:35,330 --> 01:56:33,000
and we will have the incredible Steve

2823
01:56:38,209 --> 01:56:35,340
Stockton on and we will be talking about

2824
01:56:40,129 --> 01:56:38,219
missing persons and all of that fun

2825
01:56:42,590 --> 01:56:40,139
stuff so

2826
01:56:46,250 --> 01:56:42,600
um my goal with the show

2827
01:56:50,270 --> 01:56:46,260
is to have basically the experiencers on

2828
01:56:52,729 --> 01:56:50,280
as well as researchers and writers

2829
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,739
um I do want to cover some true crime as

2830
01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:54,480
well because I'm interested in that fun

2831
01:56:59,149 --> 01:56:57,540
but mostly I want it to be experienced

2832
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,159
orientated

2833
01:57:03,649 --> 01:57:01,679
so if anyone has experiences and they

2834
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:03,659
want to talk to me about it

2835
01:57:08,990 --> 01:57:06,060
you know you can find me through Vincent

2836
01:57:10,910 --> 01:57:09,000
you can find me on Instagram at a

2837
01:57:13,129 --> 01:57:10,920
paranormal life

2838
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:13,139
um I'm that on Tick Tock as well you can

2839
01:57:17,209 --> 01:57:15,599
reach out to me Vince and I have talked

2840
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:17,219
about this there's a way that if you

2841
01:57:21,470 --> 01:57:19,199
don't want your face shown but you still

2842
01:57:25,129 --> 01:57:21,480
want to make your story public we can

2843
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:25,139
work around that and do that so but it's

2844
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:27,119
going to be a lot of fun I have a bunch

2845
01:57:31,970 --> 01:57:28,800
of incredible people who've agreed to

2846
01:57:33,890 --> 01:57:31,980
come on the show and I'm so excited

2847
01:57:36,770 --> 01:57:33,900
yeah we're excited to have it it's going

2848
01:57:38,990 --> 01:57:36,780
to be a great show yeah and then some

2849
01:57:40,669 --> 01:57:39,000
sometime very soon I'm going to also be

2850
01:57:43,609 --> 01:57:40,679
uh having a show it's going to be more

2851
01:57:45,890 --> 01:57:43,619
conspiracy and uh Alien driven and we're

2852
01:57:47,390 --> 01:57:45,900
going to have some cryptozoology and and

2853
01:57:49,550 --> 01:57:47,400
different other kind of Stories on there

2854
01:57:56,570 --> 01:57:49,560
too and it's going to be a whole lot of

2855
01:58:00,410 --> 01:57:58,729
I'm excited for that who doesn't love a

2856
01:58:02,290 --> 01:58:00,420
good conspiracy

2857
01:58:04,490 --> 01:58:02,300
right

2858
01:58:06,290 --> 01:58:04,500
conspiracy and all you guys who know me

2859
01:58:08,689 --> 01:58:06,300
personally you know I'm a big tin foil

2860
01:58:10,669 --> 01:58:08,699
header so

2861
01:58:13,970 --> 01:58:10,679
it was great having everybody tonight

2862
01:58:18,109 --> 01:58:16,310
happy birthday to the chief happy

2863
01:58:20,270 --> 01:58:18,119
birthday Elon I'm glad you're safe and

2864
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:20,280
at home and on the mend and I'd like to

2865
01:58:26,030 --> 01:58:22,320
say thank you everybody for coming on

2866
01:58:28,129 --> 01:58:26,040
please like share subscribe

2867
01:58:30,609 --> 01:58:28,139
um if you made a donation tonight that

2868
01:58:33,470 --> 01:58:30,619
is very appreciated thank you very much

2869
01:58:36,350 --> 01:58:33,480
and uh we will be getting back with you

2870
01:58:38,629 --> 01:58:36,360
I believe what next Friday yeah next

2871
01:58:41,390 --> 01:58:38,639
Friday Lon will be here next Friday yeah

2872
01:58:43,609 --> 01:58:41,400
and who's gonna be on the second full

2873
01:58:45,669 --> 01:58:43,619
swing back in Action yeah do you know

2874
01:58:57,050 --> 01:58:45,679
who's gonna be on the show next Friday

2875
01:59:03,649 --> 01:58:59,990
next Friday Lon will be back in the seat

2876
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:03,659
at 9 00 PM Eastern and then following

2877
01:59:10,010 --> 01:59:07,440
him I will be there at 10 pm Eastern

2878
01:59:12,589 --> 01:59:10,020
so stick around right after Phantoms and

2879
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:12,599
monsters for a paranormal life

2880
01:59:16,430 --> 01:59:14,880
that's true and thanks everybody for

2881
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:16,440
coming out tonight I think tonight we're

2882
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:18,480
pretty pretty big success when he was at

2883
01:59:20,810 --> 01:59:19,679
the chat room thank everybody have a

2884
01:59:25,729 --> 01:59:20,820
good time

2885
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:25,739
wonderful well until next time folks you

2886
01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:28,080
all have a lovely evening and have a

2887
01:59:38,870 --> 01:59:29,760
great night and we will see you then

2888
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:57,729
[Music]

2889
01:59:57,739 --> 02:00:12,880
thank you